On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:33 AM, John W. Foster <jfoster81...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sam & welcome to the world of Linux. I have tried them all as well as > most versions of everything else out there that will run on my > machines..HeHe even Minuet. I just like to try out new stuff. However I > am not any kind of software developer, just a curious person, so when I > need to do a job that requires 'dependable' software, I use Debian. I > have been messing about with Linux since it was developed & required 20 > plus floppy disks just to get it to run, so I speak from that vantage > point. That's nice, I too curiour, :) > Some bits of advice: > Try out several distros of Linux that are run from a 'Live CD/DVD'. This > is much easier than doing an install and experimenting on your machine. > It also will allow you to test the software on 'your' hardware system. Oh, well, I would try this option... But it would of course, require downloading all of the CD/DVDs.... > These CD/DVD can be downloaded and burnt very easily or ordered over the > internet. Another upside of this process is that most of those live CDs > will allow you to actually install a running system to the machine they > are running on. > What ever distro you choose; install midnight commander. It will at some > point save your sanity. It is a superb console or xterminal file manager > & can be run as a superuser very easily. What in fact is 'midnight commander', is it distro specific or application or software...? Didn't get this point....Is it a file manager like Nautilus or Dolpin (I heard of them...)? > This mailing list gets repopulated from time to time with folks that are > willing to help with getting you out of most any situation that you run > into. Some are always polite and helpful, some are not so polite but > still helpful. Depends on how you ask a question & if you supply enough > info for them to answer. I sometimes, to this day, forget when I ask a > question, to do that & usually do not get the response I'm seeking. Look > at it from their standpoint. They are 'volunteering' their help as do > the software developers of Linux (some of which frequent this list) so > try not to waste their time. Always try to find your own answers before > you ask here. If you do not, the way you ask the question will show that > you did not. Always Read the manual, or dig on the web, & check the > mailing list archives, before asking your question. Remember that if you > do not get an answer, it likely just means the right person has not seen > the question. I have actually gone for several weeks before someone gave > or pointed me to the info that allows me to find the answer to a > question. Usually if its that tough or 'specific' you just have to keep > trying, without ranting. I agree with you, it would really be nice to use Linux...cool.... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Lisi <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm pretty sure that that is one I have installed for someone else. I myself > have the ML-1510, which is older, but similar. At one stage I had to use > the "wrong" driver with a printer, I don't remember which, that I was > installing for someone else. I just tried each similar sounding model until > I came to one that worked OK! But that was before the days of splix. With > splix you should be fine. Oh well, than I am sure, ML 1610 would too work....., with splix, perhaps.... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM, SM <kas...@hilla.kapsi.fi> wrote: > Only the first one is needed to install Debian. > The rest include the whole of Debian main package repository. > Downloading them all is only sensible if you're installing in the > system that has no Internet connection and never will have. And even > then I doubt you need *every* CD (or DVD). Oh I see, than I go with only the first one, okay, the link of which is: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/bt-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Lisi <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is no "of course". Sorry, I did not make myself clear. With a 64 bit > processor, either a 32bit or 64bit system would work without problems. Oh I see. > There was a time when several things (like Flash!!) would not work in 64bit. > I > haven't myself tried to run Adobe's version of Flash on a 64bit system, so do > not know whether one now can. Oh I see...Yea, I heard of it too that 64 bit systems give sometimes problems with flash and java, especially as Firefox plugins, but I have only heard..... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Walter Hurry <walterhu...@lavabit.com> wrote: > Flash 64 works just fine here - and so does everything else. By the way, > even in the old days before Flash 64 bit was available, it was quite easy > to get Flash 32 bit working on 64 bit Linux. I see no reason for OP to > avoid 64 bit Debian. Ok, then I should go only for 64 bit version! On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Anthony Campbell <a...@acampbell.org.uk> wrote: > There are others, and of course you don't have to use a desktop manager > at all. Quite a few people, me included, prefer to use a window manager > and no desktop. But I suppose that, coming from Windows, you might feel lost > without one. Only Window manager? Does it mean that it completely replaces the Desktop? Or you should be expert to handle all the things CLI, whatever......., but you are correct, I cannot (I am sure I am true) go without a Desktop! On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Weaver <wea...@riseup.net> wrote: > Hello Sam, Hello. > It's good to go with, depending on what you're looking for. > If you want to learn, there's no Linux distro better for the purpose, > but an easier introduction could be by downloading and installing LMDE > here: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1818 which many are switching to > from Ubuntu. You mean Linux Mint...? But I heard of Debian that: It is almost bug free due to its relatively low release schedule, it contains highly tested softwares and that's why sometimes, it lacks the cutting edge technology, I just need the most stable version to learn so that once addicted to it, I might feel better, I know for all reasons, that learning would be taking much much time since it is my curiosity to know not the full time job (which is a different one). But, yes, I would definitely go with your suggestion of Live CD trials of Linux Mint too, I heard of it being one of the most simplest distro in the world of Linux, but I have only heard. > After playing with that for a while and you feel you would like to get > more 'hands on', by all means, install Debian. Ah well, Debian, as I heard is one of the most stable and bug free (I think 0% bugs) distro...But I know that it might take way long time to be compatible with Debian, to know how it works and how to accomplish tasks using Debian, one of the most matured Linux distribution (I heard this too, :)...). > These days, there's no problem. > There's an assumption that because Debian supports old hardware, that's > all it does. This is misleading. Debian supports far more hardware than > it used to. The BSDs can still be a little bit picky, but that doesn't > apply here. Okay. That's nice to know. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Patrick Bartek <bartek...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Contrary to most of the recommendations you'll get here (It's a Debian list > after all), I highly suggest you go with PCLinuxOS instead of Debian. I > ALWAYS recommend PCLinuxOS to Windows users making their first foray into > Linux territory as it's been specifically designed from the ground up > particularly for those users. It also has the added advantage of being > distributed as a LiveCD. So, you can boot it up, use it, see if everything > works--hardware and software, before installing without affecting your > Windows install. Just RTFM thoroughly before installing: Linux isn't Windows. > http://www.pclinuxos.com/ Ah well, I see this distro too...But would it be good for long run and to learn Linux basics...? It might seem a noob question (yes it is) but I don't know that's why asking..... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Lisi <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > A simple, accepting all defaults to make life easy, installation of Debian 6 > or higher will give you GNOME. Anything else is more complex. That's right but please let me know 'Anything else' include(s) what? Like since I am downloading Debian, so it is Debian 6 only and since I have to install a fresh system, why would I go a version earlier than 6?s > GNOME is the *default*, and that was the question I was answering. I do not > myself use GNOME. Okay,GNOME is default, but amazing that you yourself don't use the default...? However, its your personal choice, but I am sure there is no issue with GNOME.... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Lisi <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry - as usual I am not making myself clear. I am not suggesting that he > should. I said that here would no doubt others who could better inform him > of the pros and cons. > All I was attempting to say here was that it is perfectly technically possible > to use either with a 64 bit processor. I can't express opinions myself, > because I have not at present got a 64 bit installation running, so can't > look at one. Well, but I have started the download of 64 bit only, if I would have a good luck, it (64 bit Live CD) should work! On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Lisi <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > I did not suggest it myself because my experience of PCLinuxOS is out of date. > But it certainly used to be a prime candidate for anyone coming from Windows, > or anyone wanting the distro's help with administration. And it had many > experienced users who continued to support it. > It is a rolling update distribution, which can cause problems, but that would > not cause problems to a newbie! Ah well, I try that one too...., but I have to download that too after the going-on download of Debian 6. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Walter Hurry <walterhu...@lavabit.com> wrote: > Agreed; you did say that. It is just that mentioning the matter at all > raises a certain amount of fear, uncertainty and doubt. > It is of course entirely possible to run 32 bit Linux on 64 bit hardware, > but IMO there is absolutely no reason for OP to do so. > Your remark about 32 bit Flash on 64 bit Debian *was* incorrect, though. But I don't know, for whatever reason(s), I have started the download of 64 bit only....! And hopefully the Live CD should work (I would check once the download is complete!). On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Lisi <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, I had already though that people could usefully say less about the > alternatives. So it was remiss of me to do the same thing. > I said "There was a time when several things (like Flash!!) would not work in > 64bit." > I stand by that. There *was* such a time. I do not know the present > position, and said so. Well, I would try it, might the olden days have gone now and the developers have made home users life more easy! > But as you say, I shouldn't have said anything about it at all. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Brad Alexander <stor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Sam, Hello. > I'll throw in my 2 cents as well... Sure. > It also depends on what you want to learn and how deeply you want to delve > into Linux. I have been working with Linux for many years (I started using > Linux to teach myself SunOS 4.1.3). I started with Slackware (2.2.0.1) and > progressed to RedHat, then started using Debian, where I have been ever > since. Since you finally stopped at Debian, I came to know that Debian should be the king here otherwise you could have tried others more and stopped there, however, this is what I feel. Yes, target of mine is to know Linux basics, like how basically a Linux System works! > That said, IMHO, if your goal is to become a sysadmin or similar work, I > would recommend, at some point, dabbling in Slackware, Gentoo, or for the > truly hardcore, Linux From Scratch. While this can be frustrating at times, > it also has the advantage of honing your troubleshooting skills. If you are > wanting to become more of a casual user, Linux Mint, PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu (if > you can get past the Unity interface) are more complete solutions, drop a CD > in and it installs. It's like buying a car. You don't buy your teenager a > brand new Aston Martin DB9...You get them an older Honda Accord. Well, I try Live CDs. But you didn't say anything of Debian apart from Gentoo, Slackware, etc... whatever be many other distros..... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 7:47 PM, shawn wilson <ag4ve...@gmail.com> wrote: > 32 vs 64 bit - I still use 32 bit because I care about ram more than > processing. > Second, I'd use linux in a vm if I were you.... actually I am doing this > more and more now. For instance I've got ubuntu in a virtualbox installed at > work (because putty sucks, cygwin is a pain, etc - yeah I just use it for > konsole there) > Lastly, I've gotten lazy over the years. I used to buy things with the best > specs and spend a week or more getting it fully functional. Now, I still > look at specs but if the hardware isn't popular with good drivers on every > of, I will probably look elsewhere. So, I like the path of least resistance. > This is why I have a Mac (though all I use there is chrome, iterm, and.... ) > use virtualbox for damn near everything. > My point in all of this is that if windows is working for you, use it. If > you want / need linux for any reason, put it in a virtual. At this point it > doesn't really matter how well linux supports your hardware. It supports > virtualbox quite well. Oh I see. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Patrick Bartek <bartek...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I myself do keep up, not only with PCLOS, but several other "noobie" distros, > too. > That's one of the reasons I don't use it. Or any rolling release. My > current system is about 6 years old, and won't be replaced until the MB dies > or it stops doing what I need it to do. Nothing so infuriating as obsoleting > your hardware with a software update. > Of course, you can always turn off PCLOS' updating. But updating the system is better for security? Then why would one turn it off? On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Andreas Weber <ae...@worldwideweber.ch> wrote: > I did the same for a long time, too. > Finally I gave Epson a try and I like it, actually because of 1 special > option (besides good printing quality): > That thing goes on printing black even if the color is empty. But I only have Samsung printer, so would have no other option (as far as right now). Thanks! Once the Live CD is downloaded, I would see how Debian looks? If it catches my printer and speakers or not...? How it is ? Regards, SAM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cangxef+4tsrjqlu7xfmpx4i6z_bfpr6ksza_p8m+x7cup4-...@mail.gmail.com
