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On 03/15/07 10:08, Kent West wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 03/15/07 09:05, Kent West wrote:
>>  
>>> An extinction event is not a creative event. That's all I've been
>>> saying.
>>>     
>>
>> I don't know anyone on this threadlet who disagrees with you.
>>
>> As I've said before, though: previously unneeded recessive genes
>> might "suddenly" be bred into prominence, thus giving the appearance
>> of creative improvement.
>>   
> 
> Well, then, we're in agreement: "the death of the unfit does not mean
> that the survivors have automagically improved. They're still the same
> ol' critters they were before the unfit died off."

Well, they're not the *same* (they might be considered a new breed
of duck), but at the same time they aren't (yet) a new species of duck.

> 
> You're just adding the detail that any existing "hidden" characteristics
> now have room to be expressed. I have no problem with that.
> 
> I do have a problem with the misconception that the extinction of
> "unfit" characteristics automatically leads to the creation of _new_
> non-existing characteristics, which is what I was responding to. If
> armor-head genes are already in the duck population, an extinction of
> the non-armor-headed ducks may very well lead to the expression of those
> genes, but an extinction event will not create armor-head genes where
> none were present. Nor will an extinction of slower ducks add any speed
> to the faster ducks if that speed is not already pre-existing. Other
> mechanisms (mutations, anyone?) may add speed, but an extinction event
> does not.

I already mentioned mutations.

> 

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