To: Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SoftwareRaid + Root + Boot with FastTrak100

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 11:27:52AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> Moin guennelk!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am Sunday, den 05. May 2002:
> 
> > > Why? Woody-Install with bf2.4-based boot-floppies does support ATARAID
> > > out-of-the-box.
> > > 
> > I know but not the FastTrak special or only as module 
> 
> Explain why. Did you try the bf2.4 flavor? If it does not work, report
> it (the thing has been designed to support such hardware)!
> 

I just had a look again on the config.gz of 2.4.18-bf, and you are
right, it should work.
The only Problem might be:
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=m
CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=m
CONFIG_MD_RAID0=m
CONFIG_MD_RAID1=m
CONFIG_MD_RAID5=m
CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m

are only modules, so where to boot off?

I also try to install direkly on the RAID, using the patch discribed in
the 'Promise FastTrak66/100 Debian HOWTO' but the Installation-Program
does not recognise the HDDs.

> > No, I only want to use RAID1 and RAID5.
> > I use the Debian kernel-sources-2.4.18 to compile and did not get any
> > extras.
> 
> Ah, you want Linux-Raid, not ATARAID. That is another story.

That is exakt, I want to use SoftwareRaid and no Windoff shit

> 
> > # CONFIG_DMA_NONPCI is not set
> > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_MODES=y
> > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATARAID=y
> > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATARAID_PDC=y
> 
> Well, this is for hardware/software-controlled mode, windows-compatible.
> But I still cannot undestand what you are going to do. linux-raid on top
> of ataraid? On top of regular block device access (partitions)?
> 
I know.
I have to configure a RAID-Array in my RAID-BIOS, otherwise my Main-BIOS
does not find the HDDs to boot on the offboard ide (no possibility to
say OS).
If it ever gonna work, I either need a new Raid-BIOS (but I just flashed
it with the newest on and still no OS-option) or somehow I have to
change from Hardware to Software RAID, propably 
> > Thats what I did. lilo.conf:
> > 
> > disk=/dev/hda
> >     bios=0x80
> > disk=/dev/ataraid/d0
> >     bios=0x81 sectors=63 heads=255 cylinders=29904
> > partition=/dev/ataraid/d0p1
> 
> Should work even without the geometry specification.

> > boot=/dev/hda       (it shoud be /dev/ataraid/d0 or /dev/hde ?)
> 
> Well, where do you want to have the MBR? If you initialised your
> harddisks in ATARAID mode within the controller bios, you MUST NOT touch
> the partitions "raw". Means: MBR of virutial ataraid drive is the MBR
> seen in the boot environment. But ataraid has nothing to do with
> Linux-Raid, even if it works in similar way.

I only want to use SoftwareRaid raid5 and just the four HDDs on the
FastTrak contoller. I need to boot off them, so I think 
> 
> > > So what now, hde or ataraid?
> >  
> > I would like to use SoftwareRAID only, but I think to boot at least with
> > LILO, I first have to use ataraid but I am not sure. 
> 
> If you goal is redudancy, use a small / partition, with 200meg or so, on
> one of the disks, and setup all other partitions with Linux-Raid. Later,
> you can symlink parts of the raid volume to /usr, /var, /home, or even
> use bind-mounts with kernel 2.4...
> 
> /vol1/usr on /usr type none (rw,bind)
> /vol1/var on /var type none (rw,bind)
> /vol1/home on /home type none (rw,bind)
> 
Did not read about bind-mounts so far.


My goal is speed (strips) and a bit security from hardware-failures.
Right now I use an old 486 as Server (gateway,proxy,dhcp..) with only
1GB HDD.
I want to use the new Server for this and also as nfs-server for /home 
and as a file-server.

So you I need  a small / partition at the beginning of hde to get booted, but
then again I might run into Problems with my RAID-Bios.
Where should I put my swaps? the best way is probably on all 4 HDDs.
Right now I have the /boot as raid1 on the 2 masters (hde,hdg each 16M) and a
slightly smaller swap compared to the 2 slaves (hdf,hdh) to get partions
of the same size on all 4 HDDs for the raid5 partitions.

If I have a small / Partition on hde, do I have to run raid5 on an raid0
to use all the space of the HDDs because of the /, I won't have partitions 
of exactly the same size.


> > > Well, I implemented and tested booting of ATARAID on a Highpoint Raid
> > > controller (very similar), works fine with Woody now.
> >  
> > Do you have the controller onboard or a PCI-card ?
> 
> It was an onboard (extra) controller, Highpoint-Raid-370. But I was told
> it works the same way as Promise products, onboard as well as on
> external cards. Well, I do not have this hardware any longer.

I think there might be a difference between an contoller onboard and an
extra PCI-card.

> > Do you use Lilo or any other Boot-Loader ?
> 
> The disks were running in raid0 mode, configured in the Highpoint bios.
> BIOS was configured to boot from "external/scsi controller", the MBR was
> installed into the MBR of the new virtuall harddisk, /dev/ataraid/d0.
> Unfortunately, only Raid0 mode is supported by the linux driver, so I
> was not able to test the redundancy.
> 
I made a Boot-Disk (mkdisk) with no extra options and using Lilo the
System starts perfektly off the raid, so the more I work around the more
I think it is a problem between the BIOS, LILO and the FastTrak100 card.
Does anyone have experiences using grub to boot off FastTrak100 cards?

cu klaus


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