I installed the latest upgrades fron both testing & unstable (not a production system) and there are 2 bits of wierdness that I have not seen before. When I start up my system the sequence is to use gdm to load enlightenment and gnome. When the desktop starts up it now has no panels. Before the last update the panels would try to start then die with a segfault. I filed a bug report and 2 days later a new version appeared. But, Now the panels do not try to start. I tried putting "exec gnome-session" in .xsession but the panels still did not start. Any ideas?? Thanks! -- We specialize in multi-processor computing systems! John Foster AdVance-Computing Systems