That's why I said to point to it during installation! Ron Rademaker
On Sat, 20 May 2000, w trillich wrote: > seems like an uphill battle, eh? > > Ron Rademaker wrote: > > > > Try: pt-get install pine > > > > It'll give youenough information to get a bit further.... > > > > Ron Rademaker > > > > PS. Damn when is someone going to read apt-ge's FM!!, perhaps we'll just > > have to put a few pages with apt-get info during install on the users > > screen, the amount of question that has to do with it are (mostly, > > exceptly for some) just TOO EASY!!! > > would you know to read the manpage for 'gribnif' because that > was just the precise command you needed to clavis your frob > into the frammistat? not unless something pointed you there! > > if you're looking for a way to mark up text and generate html > from there, you'd start with your function: > apropos markup > and voila, you'd know to try > man wml* > to learn more. > > for apt, there's no way for a newbie TO KNOW TO LOOK FOR IT. > here's the newbie perspective, if you've forgotten: > > -------- > > hum de da dum... > > i'd like to upgrade my debian system to a more up-to-date > version. i've learned about the "man" command, but i can't > find the exact command to use for my task. > > "apropos"? okay, i'll try that... > > > apropos upgrade > pg_upgrade (1) - allows upgrade from a previous release without > reloading data > upgrade-windowmaker-defaults (8) - No manpage for this program, > utility or function. > wmu (1) - Website META Language Upgrade Utility > wmu (1) - Website META Language Upgrade Utility > > hmm. that pg_upgrade seems like it's for some database only. > try again. > > > apropos debian | sort > Debian::Debconf::Client::ConfModule (3pm) - client module for ConfModules > DebianNet (3pm) - create, remove, enable or disable entry in > /etc/inetd.conf > DebianNet (3pm) - create, remove, enable or disable entry in > /etc/inetd.conf > confmodule (3) - communicate with Debian configuration system FrontEnd. > deb (5) - Debian GNU/Linux binary package format > deb-control (5) - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format > deb-control (5) - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format > deb-old (5) - old style Debian GNU/Linux binary package format > dh_builddeb (1) - build debian packages > dh_du (1) - generate DEBIAN/du file (deprecated) > dh_installdeb (1) - install files into the DEBIAN directory > dh_installmenu (1) - install debian menu files into package build > directories > dh_md5sums (1) - generate DEBIAN/md5sums file > dh_movefiles (1) - move files out of debian/tmp into subpackages > dh_testdir (1) - test directory before building debian package > > dang! how many manpages do i have to wade through to find > if what i want is in here? > > okay, i'll be a good newbie and keep looking, but i can't spend my > whole life looking at manpages for commands i don't want or > understand... > > dhelp (1) - Debian online help > dhelp_parse (8) - Debian online help parser > diald-deb (7) - diald information for Debian/GNU Linux > dpkg (8) - a medium-level package manager for Debian GNU/Linux > dpkg-buildpackage (1) - Debian source package tools > dpkg-deb (1) - Debian package archive (.deb) manipulation tool > dpkg-distaddfile (1) - Debian source package tools > dpkg-genchanges (1) - Debian source package tools > dpkg-gencontrol (1) - Debian source package tools > dpkg-name (1) - rename Debian packages to full package names > dpkg-parsechangelog (1) - Debian source package tools > dpkg-shlibdeps (1) - Debian source package tools > dpkg-source (1) - Debian source package tools > dpkg-split (8) - Debian package archive split/join tool > dselect (8) - console Debian package handling frontend > install-docs (8) - manage online Debian documentation > isdnconfig (8) - configure the Debian isdnutils package > menufile (5) - entry in the Debian menu system > sambaconfig (8) - configure Samba for Debian systems > update-menus (1) - generate Debian menu system > > package manager? i want to upgrade, but maybe what i'm > upgrading is a package (if you think any average newbie > will think like this, keep dreaming). > > aha (says the newbie) i use 'dpkg-*' to install and update > things on debian... > > -------- > > CONCLUSION: > > there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink, > from what i can tell, that would direct any newbie to try to > use "apt-*" for anything. the only pointers a newbie will get > is someone on this list saying 'use apt-get'! > > (when i first installed slink from cd, i selected the > server/extended task, and went back to add a bunch of xwindows > stuff later. there's no manpage for apt-anything.) > > > RECOMMENDATION: > add, to the mailing list dagline 'unsubscribe?' tag below, > one itty-bitty line pointing to a debian newbie help page > on the web. > or > rotate a newbie tip-of-the-day kind of thing, instead, at > the end of the mailing list. > or > both. > > plus > > why not create a manpage that's called "upgrade" so that > newbies can find it. would that be a bad idea? > > i think it might cut down a bit on the static that always > points us to shout 'argh! try apt-get, people!' on this list... > > thanks for listening... [just trying to help :) ] > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Their is five errers in this sentance. >
