On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote:
> 
> [snip ... and btw, your lines are exceptionally long. ]
> 
> : I would like to see non-free debian packages on CDs...
> : it would make my life and the lives of many people easier...
> 
> Of course it would.
> 

I would like to add a second reason for encouraging vendors
include non-free software:

I want Linux to become a viable alternative to Microsoft, not
because I hate Microsoft, but because Linux is better in many
circumstances. I would like corporate information technology
managers to use Linux for mail servers, print servers, and
whatever else Linux is better at.  The problem is that managers
are unfamilar with Linux.  They may be willing to 
run dselect, but one cannot expect them to search the net
for a package, download it, and run "dpkg -i file".
Remember these are people who grew up with Windows, not Unix.
They may never even worked with  DOS.  Having more software
on cdrom cannot do any harm, and it may help.

We seem have a collision between two philosophy: (1) distribute free
software and (2) making it easier for new Linux users, particularly
non Unix people, to install Linux.  Everyone has their own
druthers, I  lean toward the second because
I want the Linux user base  to grow.


> Manoj also points out, the legality of doing so is murky, at best.  Many
> of the "non-free" packages are non-free for this very reason!  It would
> be foolish for Debian to make any guarantees regarding the legality of
> commercially distributing software with licenses that are unclear in
> this regard.
> 
> Therefore, two immediate solutions come to mind.  Someone can either
> dredge through the licenses and figure out what may be safely
> distributed out of non-free, or the folks who have written the packages
> in non-free might be persuaded to release their software(s) under a more
> permissive licenses, as far as distribution is concerned.

There is a legal problem but it may be solution that is not
too onerous.  Create a non-free-1 (shareware) and non-free-2.
If several people (including the maintainer) read the license
and agree it is OK to distribute,  put in non-free-1; if no one
has read the license or if there is doubt put in
non-free-2. Not optimal, but a start. 


king lee
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