> >>>>>> "Steve" == Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> writes:
> >
> > Steve> For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm
> > Steve> worried I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single
> > Steve> mistake", please give it a rest already. These are basic
> > Steve> principles on how we want all people to interact. If you make
> > Steve> a mistake and do a bad thing, people will tell you and ask
> > Steve> you to re-word, apologise, whatever.
> >
> On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 07:45:55AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >
> >Asking for reassurance that we'll be treated with compassion and
> >empathy, given a chance to understand what is going on and heard when
> >we speak our part of the story is natural.
> >THESE INSECURITIES AND ASKING FOR THAT REASSURANCE DOES NOT UNDERMINE
> >THE CODE OF CONDUCT.
Le Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 01:26:07PM +0000, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
>
> Nod. Apologies if my message sounds insensitive here! There are some
> who I think might appear to be trying to undermine it, but I agree I'm
> being unfair. Thanks for the correction.
Hi Steve, and happy new year to you and everybody,
thanks for your clarification; I found your original message very
troubling and accusatory indeed.
Frankly speaking, your reply to Sam does not entierly dissipate the
discomfort that I had when I read your first message. When you write
"There are some who I think might appear to be trying to undermine [the
CoC]", I think that you unfortunately create a climate of suspicion.
The more I read the CoC, the more I think that its point 2 ("assuming
good faith") is very important and effective. (Mildening your words
with "might appear to be trying" does solve the problem, think for
instance if I would add that it perhaps may possibly make it even
worse). I think that referring to specific statements (and not to
people, even collectively under "some") would have made your point much
stronger.
Adding "I agree I'm being unfair" adds to the confusion, in my opinion.
If you have doubts on the facts, but feel that you need to react in
order to counteract "those trying to undermine" our CoC, may I suggest
to focus on the post that you find most ambiguous, state your concerns
and ask for a clarification ? You would not need to follow up as people
can then judge the facts by themselves after reading the clarification
(or seeing its absence).
Have a nice day,
Charles
PS: thank you nevertheless for expressing your views in public (as
opposed to debian-private).
--
Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
Debian Med packaging team http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med
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