Sam Hartman writes ("Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root"): > into a body that's good at helping people make these sorts of decisions > when there is conflict. I think it will be as much about mediation, > about asking people to work together, about pointing out to people they > are talking past each other, about asking people to reconsider their > decisions with certain criteria in mind than about overriding people.
A lot of this discussion has focused on the power wielded by the TC. But the power of the TC is actually rather weak. Someone looking for an overrule needs to persuade almost all of the committee. On the other side of the scales is the massive (in the context of Debian) and often completely unaccountable power wielded by package maintainers. So long as a maintainer doesn't introduce bugs which are arguably RC, and they don't touch on DFSG problems, they can do almost entirely what they like, without regard to the opinion of anyone else. If you want to see what the unbridled exercise of fiat power looks like, see the issue described by my comments here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766708#305 Consensus-seeking, clear communication, and all that kind of thing, are notably absent. And a maintainer who acts that way can usually get away with it. Of course most DDs are package maintainers as well, so a vigorous TC does present a threat to our own power, as well as an opportunity for escape or relief from the power of others. But the TC is very far from being an out of control and unaccountable oligarchy. The unaccountable oligarchies are the individual package maintainers (including teams, which are often quite like-minded). Luckily (because we are as a community so strongly focused on doing what's right) most are benevolent. But when they aren't, without help from the TC, an out-of-control maintainer's victims are left helpless. GRs and Release Team and ftpmaster interventions are impractical tools for addressing such a situation. Mediation and consensus-seeking is ineffective if the maintainer doesn't want to engage. In summary, if we want to look for more consensus-seeking in our decisionmaking, and better negotiation, we should strengthen and encourage the TC. We should not undermine it, and not criticise the TC for acting vigorously. Being a little humbler, when we don our respective maintainer hats, would be a good thing. I am worried that the rhetoric of mediation and consensus leaves little room for justice (by which I mean the remedy of power inequalities). We should be challenging the actually existing power relations. That is what the TC is for. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21656.13512.604420.730...@chiark.greenend.org.uk