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Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> - I've already discussed in a related thread of a few months ago how I
> think the current distinction between debian.net and debian.org should
> be documented, incidentally resolving other visibility problems of
> those services. Not that the dnsZoneEntry LDAP entry is publicly
> available, we should have an automated generated index of debian.net
> services, with pointers to the responsible DD. I think it'd be a good
> idea to have such index live at http://www.debian.net together with an
> explanation of the debian.net/.org distinction. I don't think *this
> part* of the confusion is enough to justify changes of the current
> scheme (but see below for another possible reason).
>
> Stuart Prescott (Cc:-ed) has already drafted an implementation of the
> index generation and I've encouraged him to submit it as a wishlist
> bug report + patch to the -www team a few weeks ago. Stuart: any news
> on that front? (I can't check if the bug report is on right now due to
> shaky mobile phone connection.)
I discussed my draft implementation in #debian-www a week or so ago. For
those who are curious, the debian.net list and page I put together can be
viewed at:
http://ircbots.debian.net/misc/debiandotnet
(that URL just being a tmpdir on a machine with the right CSS and image
files in the right places for the debian theme)
The reaction from #debian-www was underwhelming.
* there was a suggestion to move this somewhere under /devel instead. That's
easy to do, but these are resources for both users and developers, so that
doesn't necessarily improve things.
* there was a suggestion that DSA should generate this directly and include
it on db.debian.org. I've not talked to DSA about this idea but would
happily help them do that if they wanted.
* the demo page includes the "description" from the existing wiki page [1]
and a description of the domain seems like a sensible thing to have. Any TXT
records that have been defined in LDAP for a domain are also used for the
descriptions. Since TXT records can't be defined for CNAME entries, I can't
see a good way of allowing the domain owner of a CNAME to provide or update
a description, unless LDAP were to carry TXT records for CNAMEs for
documentation purposes but ignore them when generating the zone file. [2]
And that's where everything ground to a halt. Suggestions welcome.
FWIW, I feel that the multilevel debian.net proposal that is discussed in
this thread is overly bureaucratic; debian.net is currently the bazaar and
trying to turn it into the cathedral seems wrong. It also pushes existing
valuable resources like ircbots.debian.net and mentors.debian.net into a
fringe where there is no team to bless them and yet they are also not in any
incubator.
cheers
Stuart
[1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains
[2] Previous suggestions in this thread to use TXT records to find out who
owns the domain (dig +short -ttxt love.debian.net) also fail for records
that are CNAME records rather than A records for example, "dig +short -ttxt
x.debian.net". 50% of all the debian.net records are CNAME not A so this
method works half the time... Maybe we should publish a list of domain
owners on the web?
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Debian Developer http://www.debian.org/ stu...@debian.org
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