"Gustavo Franco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 3/13/06, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Gustavo Franco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Why every uol.com.br address was unsubscribed and not only > > > petsupermarket, AFAIK there's no general problem with that domain, > > > right? [...] > > > > The Challenge-Response system appears to be a uol.com.br service > > and there seems no way to detect externally which users are using > > it. I don't know what proportion of @uol.com.br use it. Do you? > > Yes, it's their service and the C-R thing sucks. I'm not using > @uol.com.br but that's not the point, see below. [...] > Good research really, but do you see that [EMAIL PROTECTED] > isn't subscribed in our MLs ? It's other address that is forwarding to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mass-unsubscribe side effect here is > that we're hurting users when [EMAIL PROTECTED] is still free > to mail our lists. What's the rationale ? Force uol users after > unsubcribe them to ask their ISP send a reply for Debian ?
I can't see whether or not [EMAIL PROTECTED] is subscribed - I am not a listmaster. I just correct your statement: this spamming of Debian contributors *is* UOL's fault and a general problem with the domain uol.com.br. It is hosting a spamming anti-spam system without due care. It sucks that listmasters get to play detective because UOL deploy spamware and apparently won't do simple traces on their incoming mail to help close down the spam sources. I can see a rationale for an ever-increasing boycott of UOL, although I don't know if these are the listmasters' reasons: 1. I assume UOL is paid for its services and has paid staff. 2. Debian is run by volunteer effort and resources. 3. UOL's inadequate tech support is making Debian contributors waste effort and resources. 4. Effectively, some Debian resources are being used instead of UOL paying the full cost of its anti-spam spamware. 5. This is unethical, effectively using the public-interest Debian project's resources to make the private-interest UOL company more profitable. It is taking away from the commons. 6. To compensate, we need to cost UOL money. 7. One way is to start making UOL users complain or transfer their business away from UOL. As you can see from the bug log, I have mixed feelings about the ban, but for now I ask: Debian-supporting customers of UOL, Folhapar and Portugal Telecom, please complain to them instead of/as well as listmasters and consider taking your business to better-behaved firms. Personal boycotts can help. Every little hurts: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/boycotts -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
