On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:41:50AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > FYI, debian-testing is NOT for developers. > > This list was created for the testing group started during the release of > 1.3. Most of the members at that time were Debian users, and not > developers. The whole point was to get users involved in testing. > Developers said they were already testing on their own. > > The testing group has hit some hard times in the last few years, and has > not been as active as possible for various reasons. > > If you want to make a push for more users to get involved in the effort, I > support that very strongly. If you want to coopt this list for some other > noise reduction issues, please look elsewhere.
I think both would be best :-) i.e. more people helping the testing group, and a new list for people who are running testing/unstable and asking questions on debian-user. Yes, we need more people to help do the work of the testing group, things like trying out the testing versions and trying to find problems to get things ready for general release. And to that end, I did my first Woody install from scratch using Woody boot floppies this week! I think tluxt's idea was more to do with those users who are not necessarily specifically looking to be a tester, but are just trying to use Woody on a day to day basis. There are probably quite a lot of people in this category, who wouldn't necessarily be all that welcome on debian-testing with the nth question about getting soundcards working (and your comment on co-opting seems to agree with that). However, I think there could well be an advantage in having a seperate -user list. If I look back over the last few of days in debian-user, I see several threads about testing/unstable for sound, and a couple for X windows and desktop environments. Now, I was thinking: people who are in the testing group and package maintainers who do not want to monitor debian-user may be prepared to monitor a -user list just for testing/unstable, which is what they're concentrating on in their work. And people who are searching the list archives for questions about user problems in testing will not need to keep wading through all the other questions in debian-user which only apply to stable. And people runnig stable will not be confused by all the traffic that does not apply to stable at all. Maybe if there was such a new list, it would be a great place to give regular plugs for the testing group :-) Chris
