On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Frank Murphy wrote: > > Having just substituted the original narrow iMac keyboard with an > > after-market keyboard, largely because that original keyboard appears > > unsupported by X11, I find that the Finnish XFree keymap still fails; > > several keys are where they should not be. I tried the normal i386 keymap, > > which also fails, presumably because the stock Debian PPC kernel is > > configured to look for Mac scancodes. > > They used to, but for Debian 3.0 (woody), PPC emits the standard keycodes > (unless you've configured something different). For you, this is not the > problem, but for more info, see: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes
Noted. So this indeed not the problem here. > > This is really beginging to piss me off, as the console-data maps are > > perfect: if I use the i386 keymap, I get the exact same deadkeys, etc. as > > i386 hardware; if I instead use the mac-usb-fi, all keys also work, but > > metakeys and deadkeys end up where Mac users would expect them e.g. the @ > > symnbol is at a different location than on the i386 map. Anyhow, both i386 > > and Mac Finnish keymaps work, exactly as expected, on the console, using > > _any_ damn USB keyboard I throw at it, including the original narrow iMac > > keyboard. > > > > My question: is there any way to make X11 use the console-data keymaps, > > instead of wasting time trying to hack X11's abyssimal keymap system into > > something that might be remotely usable by non-American users on non-i386 > > hardware? > > Unfortunately, no. The two mappings are different beasts (and X allows > per-user modifications, while the console doesn't). The modifier keys should > be mappable, but then what happens on <shift>+1 is a different thing. > > Your third-party keyboard should be considered an i386 keyboard, and the > Apple > keyboard a mac-usb one. The differences there are the locations of the @, > which seems to work fine for you. Mainly that and that the Apple/Windows keys and Alt keys are reverted, then the Euro sign appears on AltGr+E of PC (as per EU recommendations), while Mac has this instead of the Universal currency on Shift+4. Also the <>| and §½¶ keys are at the wrong location. > From before, it seems that the keyboard(s) work fine for the keys with > letters > on them. The problem is that AltGr (Mode_switch in Xkb-speak) is not doing > what it should. The incorrect keys are: Alt, AltGr, left_apple/windows, right_apple/windows (bottom row). Then, on two third-part keyboards that I tried (Macalley and some other no-name) the <>| (should be between Z and left_shift) and §½¶ (should be left of 1) are reverted. > Before, you had said the following: > > > On a Finnish/Swedish early iMac with the narrow USB keyboard, xev says: > > > > Control_L,Alt_L,Super_L,space,Multikey. > > > > What it should be (as far as Mac OS keymaps and console-tools go): > > > > Control_L,Mode_switch,Alt_L,space,(?). > > I haven't seen a Finnish keyboard, but I assume that the keys are physically > marked with "ctrl", "alt & option", "Apple-logo/command", "space bar", > "Multikey". Is this true? They are: ctrl, alt/option, apple, spacebar, apple. > Does putting the following into .Xmodmap and run xmodmap .Xmodmap help? > > keysym Alt_L = Mode_switch > keysym Super_L = Alt_L Meta_L Using xmodmap messes up WAY too many other things in the keymap, such as killing deadkeys, which I absolutely need. > Are your only problems with the AltGr functionality? They are not. See above. What really puzzles me is, why setting up X to use a real i386/latin1-fi keymap fails to give me the exact same layout as on my Intel hardware. Aren't USB keyboards so standardized that they should be virtualy interchangeable? -- Martin-Éric Racine http://www.pp.fishpool.fi/~q-funk/
