Jakob Bøhm wrote:
> 
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >
> 
> However some of this is speculative, maybe someone
> closer to the core should survey the existing mirrors
> to check how many can actually carry crypto legally,
> then it would be easier to decide whether or not
> losing the remaining mirrors is acceptable.
> 
IANAL

Inspired by my own e-mail, I have spent the past few
hours checking how many mirrors were currently carrying
non-US, and thus unaffected by the issue.  And I must
say the proportion has gone up a lot since I last checked
several months ago.  In light of the below results, I drop
my proposals.


P.S.  Sorry about the long lines in the table below.

On Sun Jan 28 2001, I did a quick check of all mirrors
listed in README.mirrors.

Each site was manually browsed to see if it appeared to
carry a mirror of non-US, no actual files were downloaded.
Where a site had both ftp and http, ftp was preferred and
http used only if failure.

Summary:

   Countries with no non-US mirrors: none (not even US)
   Countries where no mirrors found but some sites could not be
      checked: CN (China), CR (Costa Rica) and ID (Indonesia)


Legend:
   OK: Appears to carry non-US
   BAD: Appears not to carry non-US and may have trouble carrying main
       if crypto included.
   other: Technical difficulty browsing site.


non-US       HOSTNAME                          FTP                              
  HTTP
------       --------                          ---                              
  ----

AT Austria
----------
OK           ftp.at.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
NO RESP      gd.tuwien.ac.at                   /opsys/linux/debian/             
  /opsys/linux/debian/
OK           debian.mur.at                     /debian/                         
  /debian/

AU Australia
------------
OK           ftp.wa.au.debian.org              /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.au.debian.org                 /pub/debian/                     
  /pub/debian/
OK           ftp.monash.edu.au                 /pub/linux/debian/               
  /pub/linux/debian/
OK           linux.org.au                      /pub/debian/                     
  /mirrors/debian/
OK           ftp.uwa.edu.au                    /mirrors/linux/debian/           
                                     
NO RESP      ftp.tower.net.au                  /debian/                         
                                     
NO RESP      mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au            /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           debian-ftp.pacific.net.au         /debian/                         
                                     
OK           mirror.pacific.net.au                                              
  /debian/

BE Belgium
----------
OK           ftp.tiscalinet.be                 /debian/                         
                                     
OK           ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be         
/pub/mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian/                                    
OK           ftp.easynet.be                    /debian/                         
  /ftp/debian/
BAD          mirrors.pandora.be                /mirrors8/ftp.debian.org/        
                                     

BG Bulgaria
-----------
OK           ftp.bg.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/

BR Brazil
---------
OK           debian.lcmi.ufsc.br               /pub/debian/                     
  /debian/
OK           ftp.quimica.ufpr.br               /debian/                         
                                     
OK           download.unesp.br                                                  
  /linux/debian/

CA Canada
---------
BAD          ftp.ca.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OVERLOADED   ftp.crc.ca                        /systems/linux/debian/           
                                     
OK           mirror.direct.ca                                                   
  /linux/debian/
BAD          debian.yorku.ca                                                    
  /debian/
OK           ftp.vlug.org                      /dists/debian/                   
                                     

CH Switzerland
--------------
OK           sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch           /mirror/debian/                  
  /ftp/mirror/debian/
BAD          ftp.dplanet.ch                    /mirror/debian/                  
                                     

CN China
--------
BAD          sunsite.ust.hk                    /pub/debian/                     
                                     
NO ROUTE     ftp.debian.org.hk                 /debian/                         
  /debian/

CR Costa Rica
-------------
NO RESP      debian.efis.ucr.ac.cr             /debian/                         
  /debian/

CZ Czech Republic
-----------------
BAD          ftp.debian.cz                     /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           debian.sh.cvut.cz                 /debian/                         
  /debian/

DE Germany
----------
OK           ftp.tu-clausthal.de               /pub/linux/debian/               
  /pub/linux/debian/
OK           ftp.de.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           source.rfc822.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           debian.uni-essen.de               /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.freenet.de                    /pub/ftp.debian.org/debian/      
  /pub/ftp.debian.org/debian/
OK           ftp.gigabell.net                  /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.uni-mainz.de                  /pub/Linux/debian/               
                                     
OK           ftp.uni-erlangen.de               /pub/Linux/debian/               
  /pub/Linux/debian/
OK           sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de /pub/Linux/debian/               
  /ftp/pub/Linux/debian/
OK           ftp.nacamar.de                    /pub/debian/                     
  /pub/debian/
BAD          ftp.nikoma.de                     /pub/debian/                     
                                     
OK           ftp.de.uu.net                     /pub/linux/debian/               
                                     
OK           ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de         
/pub/Mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian//pub/Mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian/
NO RESP      ftp.stw-bonn.de                   /pub/mirror/debian/              
                                     

DK Denmark
----------
OK           ftp.sunsite.auc.dk                /pub/os/linux/debian/            
  /ftp/pub/os/linux/debian/
OK           ftp.uni-c.dk                      
/mirror/ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/                                    
OK           ftp.dk.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.dkuug.dk                      /pub/debian/                     
                                     

EE Estonia
----------
OK           ftp.ee.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/

ES Spain
--------
OK           ftp.es.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
NO RESP      ceu.fi.udc.es                     /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.gul.uc3m.es                   /debian/                         
  /debian/
NO RESP      ulises.adi.uam.es                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.gui.uva.es                    /pub/linux/debian                
                                     
BAD          ftp.rediris.es                    /pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
                                     

FI Finland
----------
OK           ftp.fi.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/

FR France
---------
OK           ftp.iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr         /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.eudil.fr                      /debian/                         
                                     
OK           ftp.fr.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.minet.net                     /pub/distrib/debian/             
                                     
OK           ftp.info.iut-tlse3.fr             /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.oleane.net                    /pub/debian/                     
  /pub/debian/
OK           ftp.club-internet.fr              /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.domicile.fr                   /pub/linux/debian/               
  /debian/
DOWN         ftp.worldonline.fr                /pub/debian/                     
                                     
CONN REFUSED ftp.lip6.fr                       /pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
                                     
OK           debian.ens-cachan.fr              /debian/                         
  /ftp/debian/
BAD          ftp.ovh.net                       /mirrors/ftp.debian.org/         
  /mirrors/ftp.debian.org/

GB Great Britain
----------------
OK           ftp.uk.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.demon.co.uk                   /pub/mirrors/linux/debian/       
                                     
OVERLOADED   sunsite.org.uk                    
/Mirrors/ftp.debian.org/pub/debian//Mirrors/ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/
OK           ftp.mcc.ac.uk                     /pub/linux/distributions/Debian/ 
                                     
OK           www.mirror.ac.uk                  /sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/    
  /sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/
OK           ftp.ticklers.org                  /debian/                         
                                     
BAD          ftp.linux.co.uk                   
/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/                                   

GR Greece
---------
OK           debian.otenet.gr                  /pub/linux/debian/               
  /debian/

HK Hong Kong
------------
OK           ftp.dll.com.hk                    /pub/Distributions/Debian/       
                                     
OK           xcyber.ath.cx                                                      
  /debian/

HR Croatia
----------
OK           ftp.irb.hr                        /debian/                         
  /debian/

HU Hungary
----------
OK           ftp.index.hu                      /pub/debian/                     
                                     
OK           ftp.kfki.hu                       /pub/linux/debian/               
  /ftp/linux/debian/
OK           ftp.hu.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           debian.inf.elte.hu                /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.linuxvilag.hu                 /debian/                         
                                     

ID Indonesia
------------
NO RESP      debian-mirror.piksi.itb.ac.id     /debian/                         
  /debian/
NO RESP      SunSITE.ui.ac.id                  /pub/linux/distro/debian/        
  /debian/

IE Ireland
----------
OK           ftp.esat.net                      /mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian/  
  /mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian/

IT Italy
--------
DOWN         ftp.it.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          palmaria.garda-access.com         /pub/linux/debian/               
                                     
OK           ftp.students.cs.unibo.it          /debian/                         
                                     
OK           freedom.dicea.unifi.it            /ftp/pub/linux/debian/           
  /ftp/pub/linux/debian/
OK           gusp.infogroup.it                 /pub/debian/                     
  /debian/
OK           debian.phc.unipi.it               /debian/                         
  /debian/
OVERLOADED   ftp.flashnet.it                   /pub/ftp.debian.org/             
                                     
BAD          ftp.edisontel.com                 /pub/Debian_Mirror/              
                                     

JP Japan
--------
BAD          mirror.nucba.ac.jp                /mirror/debian/                  
  /mirror/debian/
OK           ftp.jp.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ring.asahi-net.or.jp              /pub/debian/                     
  /archives/linux/debian/debian/
BAD          SunSITE.sut.ac.jp                 /pub/archives/linux/debian/      
  /pub/archives/linux/debian/
OK           ftp.dti.ad.jp                     /pub/Linux/debian/               
                                     
OK           dennou-t.ms.u-tokyo.ac.jp         /library/Linux/debian/           
  /library/Linux/debian/
OK           dennou-h.ees.hokudai.ac.jp        /library/Linux/debian/           
  /library/Linux/debian/
OK           dennou-k.gaia.h.kyoto-u.ac.jp     /library/Linux/debian/           
  /library/Linux/debian/
OK           dennou-q.geo.kyushu-u.ac.jp       /library/Linux/debian/           
  /library/Linux/debian/
OK           ftp.jp.psi.net                    /pub/Linux/debian/               
                                     

KR Korea
--------
BAD          ftp.kornet.net                    /pub/Linux/debian/               
  /pub/Linux/debian/
OK           ftp.kr.debian.org                 /pub/debian/                     
                                     
NO RESP      ftp.bora.net                      /pub/linux/debian/               
                                     

LT Lithuania
------------
OK           ameba.sc-uni.ktu.lt               /debian/                         
  /debian/

LV Latvia
---------
OK           ftp.latnet.lv                     /linux/debian/                   
  /linux/debian/

MX Mexico
---------
OK           ftp.iteso.mx                      /debian/                         
  /debian/

NL Netherlands
--------------
BAD          ftp.cistron.nl                    /pub/debian/                     
                                     
BAD          ftp.nluug.nl                      /pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/      
                                     
OK           ftp.nl.debian.org                 /pub/linux/debian/               
                                     
OK           mirror.cybercomm.nl               /pub/debian/                     
                                     

NO Norway
---------
OK           ftp.no.debian.org                 /debian/                         
                                     
OK           debian.marked.no                  /debian/                         
                                     

NZ New Zealand
--------------
OK           ftp.nz.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.clear.net.nz                  /mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian/   
                                     

PL Poland
---------
OVERLOADED   ftp.pl.debian.org                 /pub/debian/                     
  /debian/
OK           debian.mps.krakow.pl              /mirror/debian/                  
                                     
BAD          ftp.icm.edu.pl                    /pub/Linux/debian/               
                                     

PT Portugal
-----------
OK           ftp.uevora.pt                     /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.eq.uc.pt                      /pub/software/unix/Linux/debian/ 
  /software/unix/Linux/debian/
OK           ftp.ua.pt                         /pub/debian/                     
  /pub/debian/

RU Russia
---------
OK           ftp.chg.ru                        /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.nick.da.ru                    /debian/                         
                                     

SE Sweden
---------
OK           ftp.sunet.se                      
/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian//pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian/
OK           ftp.du.se                         /debian/                         
  /debian/
DOWN         ftp1.se.debian.org                /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.se.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/

SI Slovenia
-----------
OK           ftp.arnes.si                      /packages/debian/                
                                     
OK           ftp.si.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/

SK Slovakia
-----------
OK           ftp.tuke.sk                       /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.cvt.stuba.sk                  /pub/os/debian/                  
                                     
OK           susy.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk            /debian/                         
  /debian/

TR Turkey
---------
OK           ftp.tr.debian.org                 /debian/                         
                                     
OK           bilmuh.ege.edu.tr                 /debian/                         
  /debian/

TW Taiwan
---------
DOWN         ftp.mgt.ncu.edu.tw                /Linux/distributions/debian/     
                                     
OK           linux.sinica.edu.tw               /pub5/debian/                    
                                     
OK           ftp.tku.edu.tw                    /OS/Linux/distributions/debian/  
  /OS/Linux/distributions/debian/

US United States
----------------
BAD          http.us.debian.org                /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.debian.org                    /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.eecs.umich.edu                /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          llug.sep.bnl.gov                                                   
  /debian/
BAD          debian.crosslink.net              /debian/                         
                                     
BAD          ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu           /pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
                                     
BAD          ftp.freesoftware.com              /pub/linux/debian/               
                                     
BAD          ftp.us.debian.org                 /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.tux.org                       /pub/distributions/debian/       
  /pub/distributions/debian/
BAD          ibiblio.org                       /pub/Linux/distributions/debian/ 
  /pub/Linux/distributions/debian/
BAD          ftp-mirror.internap.com           /pub/debian/                     
  /pub/debian/
BAD          ftp.cerias.purdue.edu             /pub/os/debian/                  
  /pub/os/debian/
BAD          ftp.linuxberg.com                 /pub/distributions/Debian/       
                                     
BAD          ftp.cs.unm.edu                    /mirrors/debian/                 
                                     
BAD          mirror.cs.wisc.edu                /pub/mirrors/linux/debian/       
                                     
BAD          ftp.digex.net                     /debian/                         
  /debian/
OVERLOADED   herbie.ucs.indiana.edu            /linux/debian/                   
                                     
BAD          debian.tod.net                    /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.twoguys.org                   /debian/                         
                                     
BAD          ftp.twtelecom.net                 /pub/mirrors/debian/             
                                     
BAD          natasha.stmarytx.edu                                               
  /debian/
BAD          download.sourceforge.net          /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.ndlug.nd.edu                  /debian/                         
                                     
BAD          ftp.linuxvc.com                   /debian/                         
                                     
BAD          debian.uchicago.edu               /debian/                         
  /debian/
BROKEN       debian.bilow.com                  /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          lyre.mit.edu                                                       
  /debian/
BAD          carroll.cac.psu.edu               /pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
                                     
BAD          debian.fifi.org                   /pub/debian/                     
  /debian/
BAD          debian.gnaps.com                  /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          gladiator.real-time.com           /linux/debian/                   
                                     
BAD          ftp.kernel.org                    /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          mirrors.xmission.com              /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          mirrors.rcn.net                   /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.keystealth.org                /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          debian.lrlug.org                  /                                
  /
BAD          ftp.stealth.net                   /debian/                         
                                     
OK           ftp.lug.udel.edu                  /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          ftp.openrock.net                  /debian/                         
  /debian/
OK           ftp.lameter.com                   /debian/                         
  /debian/
BAD          debian.lcs.mit.edu                /debian/                         
  /debian/

ZA South Africa
---------------
OK           ftp.is.co.za                      /linux/distributions/debian/     
                                     
BAD          ftp.linux.co.za                   /pub/distributions/debian/       
                                     

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