Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > I can understand why I can't call it mozilla, because that's their name. > > They are not called firefox though. They make a thing called "Mozilla > > Firefox" and are claiming "Firefox" as an extra name. > Er, that's what a trademark is :-) Nabisco isn't called Oreo, but Oreo > is still their trademark.
As you have just shown above, you are able to use Oreo without an agreement with them. I suspect we are able to use Firefox without your agreement, as long as use is honest like proper use of a name. MF may be seeking to establish an over-strict hold over their trademark by convincing Debian to make an unnecessary agreement. > > On a purely pragmatic note, if it's fine to require the name is changed > > for modified versions (like Debian's can be), it's not clear how to > > do that at present - do we know if it is even possible? > Read back in the various threads on this topic - I've been explaining > how it's done. Sorry, I thought you had only described how to make a build avoiding use of the trademarked logos, but there are some places where the name is hardwired? The trademarked name also appears in the supposedly "non-trademark" logo graphics, it seems. > > It feels like > > Mozilla may be free but vexatious. Unsurprisingly, I'm a little grumpy at > > them claiming they are behaving well while making more work for us. > I apologise that our trademark policy makes more work for you, but I do > think we are behaving well in that all of our software is still Free. I am not convinced that it's free if your trademark is used. Fortunately, the name is an avoidable problem. It's just a lot of work, so the wondering is necessary. > > Then > > there are the claims that X or Y from MF will discuss it, even though > > past attempts failed and it seems nothing has changed on MF's side. > I'm here and I'm not going away. Will you keep tracking discussions even if others from MF are involved?
