Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:41:13AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> Is this the case even if the firmware is in a flash chip attached to the >> device? If the total amount of non-free software on a user's system is >> the same regardless, why are we concerned about how it's packaged? > > The total amount of non-free software on a user's system is different if the > firmware comes pre-loaded on the device than if we have to load it from the > OS, isn't it?
By system, I'm referring to the hardware as well. > If there is at least one real-world device that works with the driver > without needing to load additional firmware, I think the driver is > unambiguously free from this standpoint. If no one can point to a device > that the driver works with without the help of an additional non-free > firmware blob, I'm not certain I agree that it doesn't have a dependency on > non-free software. But almost every driver requires an additional non-free firmware blob. In general, there are two cases: 1) That firmware is in an eeprom, and so was distributed to the user when the hardware was bought 2) That firmware is not in an eeprom, and so was distributed to the user when they obtained drivers In most versions of case (2), the user will already own a copy of the firmware - it'll be on the Windows driver CD in some form. It would be trivial to add code to the driver packages to copy this code off the CD. At that point, in no case does Debian distribute the firmware. Ignoring Brian's strange arguments about rodents, I can see no cases where the user has more freedom if the firmware comes from an eeprom rather than from a CD. The main/contrib split exists in order to make it clear to our users that their free software depends on non-free code. In the case of free software that interacts directly with hardware, that's almost always the case. If we're of the opinion that non-free firmware is unacceptably bad, we should move all drivers which require it to contrib regardless of the manufacturer's choice of storage device. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
