Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 20030429T104014-0700, Alex Romosan wrote: >> no, i am not. i was just merely responding to the statement that the >> debian project was founded in august of 1993 while the WHY-FREE >> manifesto dates from 1994, and hence it was claimed that the social >> contract preceded the WHY-FREE manifesto. i pointed out the social >> contract was not adopted until 1997. is that clear enough for you? > > Go read the thread again and note how you misrepresent it here. You > wrote "so no, debian didn't come up with the idea of free software" > (which was, BTW, totally out of place in the thread); do you really > think that is a way of saying that "the social contract was not adopted > until 1997"?
here it is what anthony towns said on tue, 29 apr 2003 15:47:51 +1000 No, it's not. Our raison d'etre is documented in the Debian Manifesto, distributed in the doc-debian package. Or it's the Debian Constitution, the Debian Social Contract, or the Debian Free Software Guidelines distributed in the same package. If you look at the Debian History package, you'll find the statement that `The Debian Project was officially founded by Ian Murdock on August 16th, 1993.', which stands in interesting contrast to WHY-FREE's `Copyright 1994 Richard Stallman'. which, at least to me, seems to imply that debian and its lofty ideals preceded the WHY-FREE manifesto by at least a year. now, this can also be interpreted as anthony saying debian was founded before the WHY-FREE manifesto so the manifesto couldn't be our raison d'être. i don't think it was either, since at the very beginning (and i've been using debian since early in 1995) there was no obsession with software purity. this came about in 1997 and culminated with the social contract written by bruce perens (who later on left the project when it looked like, and it was, hijacked by the completely free-software zealots). now a different bunch of zealots are trying to hijack the project once again attempting to extend the definition of software (as i said previously, back in 1997 the talk was mostly about source code). i think the debian project as a whole needs to reach a consensus before anybody starts removing files from packages because the said files don't meet their purity standards. this is not happening. you have taken upon yourselves to extend the definition of software, purge the distribution of what you deem impure, and in general ignore any opinions that don't agree with yours. it is because of zealots like you every revolution fails in the end. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. |
