----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gene Grimm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Spamassasin over RBL, was Re: rblsmtpd -t?]
> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:24:57AM -0400, Gene Grimm wrote: > > Speaking as an ISP that has to deal with spam complaints from our clients, > > most people consider it spam if it was unrequested -- thus the definition of > > Unsolicited Commercial Email. It's bad enough to have to deal with junk ads > > through snail mail, but now we have to deal with junk ads in electronic > > mail. At least with snail mail the advertisor has to foot the whole bill of > > the ads so they have to budget their advertising. What irritates me is when > > the spammers try to claim that they are sending out their junkmail "in > > accordance to federal legislation" and refer to some House or Senate bill. > > To the best of my knowledge, there still isn't any actual statute that has > > been signed into law regarding spam. > > There is a big difference between spam with a legitimate reply to > and valid bounce address, that will in fact bounce back. > spam with a forged reply to and where bounces bounce is a whole > different issue. YMMV > To the end user, even advertisements with valid bounce and reply to addresses are spam if they didn't request it. Granted, some people forget or may not realize they signed up for this or that mailing list when they signed up at this web site or that one. But if the "advertiser" is "trawling" for, or trading email addresses the end user most likely didn't opt into that spam list. Our current definition of legitmate commercial email requires clear identification of the sending organization, valid originating and return addresses belonging to the sender, and clearly defined and functional procedures for removal from future mailings. It also requires that any mailing lists be of the opt-in not opt-out variety. The customer has to ask to be added to the list in the first place, not be automatically added and made to request to be removed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
