(Dropping pkg-fonts-devel list, as they are not likely interested in input method discussions. Adding ubuntu-devel list.)
On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 09:05:20AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Daniel Glassey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Hi, > > I think it would be good to discuss this with Debian folks at well to > > share their expertise and I think these issues should be addressed for > > lenny as well. > > And, given that this highly involves packages beings installed by > default, this should be discussed with the D-I team as such default > installations should be handled by tasksel in Debian. > > (please note that Ubuntu does not use tasksel and, therefore, > solutions suitable for Ubuntu will, there, not be suitable for Debian > and vice-versa) Since Debian doesn't have the constraint of the main/universe separation, Debian can use a very different approach than Ubuntu's. And AFAIK, on CJK front, etch already has a rather good input method support in default desktop task installation. > So, original message by Arne Goetje, forwarded by Daniel Glassey: > > > So, for making SCIM the system wide default, the following should be > > done on the Live CD and in the default installation: > > 1. install and configure scim and its modules > > I think that this should be done by default when installs are done for > non european languages, at least those that are supported by SCIM > (CJK? Indic languages? Other Asian languages? Cyrillic?) For desktop tasks, yes. For others, probably not, since scim pulls in the whole GTK+ stack. Most other input method packages at least pull in a lot of X stuff. > > 2. install im-switch > > Ditto Depends on whether the specific input method package has im-switch support or not. > > 2. SCIM modules: > > The default installed scim module packages are: > > * scim-modules-table > > * scim-tables-additional (Russian and Indic IMs) > > Could go in the -desktop tasks for Indic and Cyrillic langs I heard that the Russian input method in there is not really useful for native speakers. A lot of Indic speakers probably prefer scim-m17n package instead. > > I highly recommend, that we put the following packages and their > > dependencies into the Live CD and the default installation to make it > > become more useful: All the following are based on current tasksel SVN trunk, I don't have time to check etch. But it's probably quite similar -- I don't remember big changes to existent tasks since etch release. > > * scim-anthy or scim-prime: Japanese input methods, scim-prime is a > > dictionary based IM, which has a great advantage over anthy. Although > > both are widely used in Japan. > > Ditto for japanese-desktop Japanese-desktop depends on uim, but not im-switch. I remember uim has im-switch support. They probably want to consider that. > > * scim-chewing: Traditional Chinese phonetic IM, widely used in Taiwan > > ditto for chinese-t-desktop (already done, indeed) Yes, and it depends on im-switch as well. > > * scim-pinyin: Simplified and Traditional Chinese Pinyin IM, widely > > used in China and by foreigners in Taiwan. ;) > > ditto for chinese-t-desktop and chinese-s-desktop Native traditional Chinese speakers hardly use Pinyin, so I am not sure it's justified. Chinese-s-desktop already depends on scim-pinyin and im-switch. > > * scim-hangul: As the name says it - Korean. > > ditto for korean-desktop Korean-desktop depends on imhangul and nagi for input method. > > * scim-tables-zh: additional table based IMs for Simplified and > > Traditional Chinese, many of them are popular in China, Hong Kong and > > Taiwan. > > ditto for chinese-t-desktop and chinese-s-desktop Already done. > > * scim-thai: well, Thai. :) > > ditto for thai-desktop Thai-desktop depends on gtk-im-libthai for input method. > > * scim-m17n: bridge to the m17n library, which adds a lot of additional > > IMs, including Latin based ones for the European languages with > > diacritics. (not everyone likes to fiddle with XKB settings. ;) ) > > hmmm, seeing this makes me think that, after all, scim could be > installed by default on all desktop installs, and scim-m17n added to > *-desktop tasks for Latin-based languages. Many languages prefer other input methods. Actually now that I'm thinking about it, I am not even sure SCIM has more than 50% user base for any language. Some Indic language perhaps, as SCIM may be the only available one. > > The following packages may NOT be installed: > > * scim-uim: BROKEN, will trash the SCIM setup tool. Don't install it. > > * scim-chinese: old version of scim-pinyin, not compatible with the > > current scim package; breaks dependency handling. Just FYI: I replied to this in a mail to ubuntu-devel list. In summary: at least in Debian, these are not true at all. Both scim-uim and scim-chinese are perfectly installable and usable in etch as well as unstable. Ming, Debian maintainer of scim 2007.08.10 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
