Quoting Simon Josefsson (2026-03-01 15:40:08) > Jonas Smedegaard <[email protected]> writes: > > > Quoting Simon Josefsson (2026-03-01 14:08:57) > >> Gunnar Wolf <[email protected]> writes: > >> > >> > Simon Josefsson dijo [Sat, Feb 21, 2026 at 08:13:07PM +0100]: > >> >>> I guess it all boils down to Debian people not wanting you to badmouth > >> >>> the > >> >>> Debian project using Debian resources for it. > >> >> > >> >>Please help me improve motivation for Debian Libre so it doesn't come > >> >>off as badmouthing. That's not the intention, and to me, the choice of > >> >>basing Debian Libre on Debian speaks a lot about the good things in > >> >>Debian. It would be more work to base a libre OS on macOS or Windows. > >> >> > >> >>What Debian resources are you thinking about? > >> > > >> > If you are proposing a Debian Pure Blend called “Debian Libre”, it would > >> > be > >> > using ① Debian's trademark and ② Debian's infrastructure. It would > >> > badmouth > >> > the project by implying that full-Debian, that what our project does that > >> > is _not_ accepted by “Debian Libre” is, well... Not free. > >> > >> I don't follow this. A Debian Libre blend would be curated for a narrow > >> audience that care about a particular topic. It doesn't reject or > >> invalidate anything else in Debian. > > > > If I make a Pure Blend for the narrow audience of danish-speaking > > people, and then call that blend "Debian for greatest people", I not > > only say something positive about danish people, but also implicitly > > something negative about spanish and australian people. > > > > Do you see the point now? > > Somewhat (thanks!), but wouldn't such an argument also argue for > canceling the entire concept of Debian Blends? Assuming then "Debian > Med" pisses of non-Med people. Or "Debian Junior" pisses of > non-Juniors.
The point I was trying to make is that if I label danish as greatest, then I implicitly make it awkward for non-danes to claim that they are also-greatest. Translating to your case: You make it awkward for others to identify other uses of Debian as also-pure. I fail to see a similar need labeling non-medical Debian use as also-medical, or for non-junior Debian users to label themselves as also-junior. > What I fail to see is how the messaging about Debian Libre suggests it > is for "greater people", for your analogy to work. You want to label Debian-without-non-free-firmware as the pure one. But Debian-without-english-locale is also pure. And Debian-without-Qt and Debian-without-GTK are also pure. "Pure" is a broad term. "Junior" or "med" or "danish" or "GNOME" is not. > I am also not confident that people's objections here are only about > how Debian Libre is communicated, but if it is also about technical > choices. I am not "people". I think it is a real issue, that in discussions we easily lump together multiple arguments that we might see as correlated but our opponents may disagree are correlated. I was trying hard to stick to a single argument here. Please do not yourself lump other unrelated arguments in here. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ * Sponsorship: https://ko-fi.com/drjones [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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