On 28/2/25 11:57, Colin Watson wrote:
Ian Fleming wrote: "Once is happenstance.  Twice is coincidence.  The third time it's enemy action."  I've only got as far as coincidence so far, but it's still enough to make me wonder.

No need to turn to paranoia in this case :)

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This is clearly (to my mind) a misconfiguration,

INDEED.  And maybe a (minor) documentation bug, given that Debian installer would never enable *only* security updates....

My (humble) opinion reasoning on this is:   some admin, probably coming from other environments/distros, understood that enabling ONLY security updates would provide all the stability guarantees they want --- i.e. no incompatible upgrades during the lifecycle of the release.


so I've rejected them as bugs on openssh: we don't support installing only security updates and never upgrading to packages from new point releases, because those aren't rigorously separate streams: security updates are built against the stable suite and so may pick up versioned dependencies against it.  But seeing two users who seem to have their systems configured this way makes me wonder what's going on.  Does anyone know of documentation somewhere that recommends configuring stable systems this way?

Not in Debian, that I know of .... but I can easily understand where the reasoning that led to this misconfiguration came from; I have actually seem them live :)

Humble suggestion to add an (overrideable) warning to APT to this effect?  Something along the lines of "W: Configuring only security updates for suite $suite is not officially supported, and can create installability conflicts"

    Stressing the "officially" here: it can work; will usually work.... until it doesn't (like for these bugs). But it's not the maintainer's fault.



Just my .02€. HTH

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