Hello, Svante Signell, le lun. 10 févr. 2020 12:18:37 +0100, a ecrit: > On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Nice, the first thing I'll do is to shut down the Debian/GNU Hurd > > > buildd mahler. > > > Can't you see you are here exactly very precisely here *again* putting > > pressure to get something through? > > It is not about pressure, definitely not!
That is however how, I believe, everybody understood it. > It's frustration on you trying to punish me for having an opinion. I am not trying to "punish" (I don't even see how that would happen). I am telling Sam that we have never managed to make you change the *way* you are expressing your opinions through pressure. > What do you think would be obtained with the above words? That you perhaps at least understand that what you were writing above *is* pressure, even if you don't realize it when writing it. > BTW: How many euros do you think having a buildd running 24/7 cost me > personally > every month? I'm spending a large amount of my time supporting free software, > including hosting several buildds (without a single (euro)cent in funding). I really appreciate the effort you spend here, I am grateful for that. > > Really, please grow up. You have already worded such a threat in the > > past. That's at best childish. > > I'm asking you to apologize for what you just wrote. The above is an outright > insult to me. Right. I apologize for this sentence, I didn't mean to make it an insult. The thing is: at some point I don't know how to explain that the way you are engaging discussions is most often immediately with big words and everything, and that it's not Okay. On the d-i init question, there hasn't even been any discussion on debian-boot (and thus no worded opposition), and then you already said that some developers "out to leave the project". That's really not a good way to start a discussion... And this is a recurrent scheme I have seen on IRC etc., your starting topics is most often already "isn't it about time to do [...]?". Honestly, when I see such a start, I have no other will than working on something else than what you are talking about, and thus your way of suggesting improvements is actually completely anti-productive. If you simply worded it "could we perhaps do [...]?" things would flow way better. And similarly on d-i init, discussion can lead to compromises. I guess you'll again find this coward, like you already said previously, but really, long-term wise, I have seen it work way better than immediate battles that rather antagonize people. Samuel
