On 2019-09-24 07:34, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Dear Mo. > > Mo Zhou - 24.09.19, 04:58:06 CEST: >> For desktop users, non-systemd init plus a mordern desktop environment >> such as Plasma or Gnome would be impossible on Debian, as they depend >> on systemd. Some other distro such as Gentoo and FreeBSD have somehow >> removed the systemd dependency for Gnome but I'm sure how much amount >> of patchwork is required. > > This is clearly not true with current Debian Sid (and a little glue > package from experimental at the moment). This laptop is testimony to > that. I am writing this with KMail on a KDE Plasma desktop and no > systemd / libsystemd packages installed, using sysvinit instead. It is > running like this for *months* already. > > They depend on systemd-logind which can be replaced by elogind – > actually that is a huge part of the discussion in this thread, did you > actually *read* it? elogind as I remember is coming from Gentoo / BSD > efforts. And I am not sure whether KDE Plasma really depends on it or > whether it could still be used with ConsoleKit 2, which may not really > be maintained anymore I read somewhere. > > However I did not test GNOME myself, but saw reports of Devuan users > that it works. And if it works in Devuan it likely would work with > Debian as well, as Devuan developers work on the necessary packages > within Debian in the debian-init-diversity initiative. > > Please do not spread rumors on the state of what is possible in Debian > if you did not test for yourself. Thank you.
Ok. Previous post was about my observation in Jan/Feb this year, which only works for Buster but not the current Sid. I didn't read the threads so sorry for the discrepancy and my obsolete comment.
