>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:
Ian> Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or
Ian> MUSt NOT Github"):
>> Unfortunately, I believe you are in the [wrong] when judging
Ian placed the word "wrong" in my mouth replacing the word "rough" from
my original mail. I disagree with that characterization of what I said
in the strongest possible terms. Judging consensus is not about finding
right or wrong; it is not about a moral judgment at all. Judging
consensus is about finding agreement (or its lack). When I say that Ian
is in the rough, I mean that I think there is not a perfect consensus on
the issue, and that Ian holds an view that is inconsistent with what
consensus exists. I'm also implying by that statement that the
discussion is not ongoing; that we've reached a good enough
approximation of consensus to move on even though some people wish we
had reached a different conclusion.
>> More over your claim that this is not our current practice runs
>> counter to facts. Of the 26,480 packages in my unstable sources
>> with a vcs-git, 1836 are on github. 7% seems much more
>> consistent to me with "NOT Recommended" than "forbidden."
Ian> Blimey. I didn't realise that.
Ian> I think this does not demonstrate that I am wrong about
Ian> project's overall opinion about this. I am confident that a GR
Ian> to forbid this would succeed.
Ian> It just demonstrates that we have few working enforcement
Ian> mechanisms against contributors who violate our norms.
>> Even if there is not rough consensus to forbid non-free services,
>> I'd welcome help documenting the concerns that can come up.
Ian> I think this is a question of Debian's core values.
Ian> Given the current situation, with 7% of packages in violation
Ian> of what I see as a key norm, it seems that this cannot be
Ian> resolved via a consensus process.
Ian> We should resolve this with a GR. Something like:
This sounds like a discussion that would be better on debian-project.
I'll try and move it there, quoting your draft text.
--Sam
