On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 19:10:42 +0200 Simon Richter <s...@debian.org> wrote: > For servers, the benefit is rather limited. There is no local user who i don't agree - systemd just work™ in the most cases. Without changing a bit. > The "desktop" and "server" use cases are so vastly different that it > doesn't make sense to try to squeeze both into a single design, No. They aren't. > It is way more useful to have multiple alternatives that fit their > respective use cases well than one thing that attempts to do > everything. No. > > So then the question boils down to what kind of feature > > development sysvinit *in Debian* is willing to do to do that. If the No, it don't. We need sysvinit for some non-linux things and some enthusiasts that are not switched to devuan yet - it would be sane to abandon sysvinit, kfreebsd and the hurd alltogether or split them out. Only my point of view. > The sanest thing we could do in Debian is to teach start-stop-daemon > to parse systemd .service files and pull its command line arguments No. The sanest thing would be to consider systemd as winning system and improve it - and let sysv bitrot.
> For that to happen, we'd have to define .service files as an API > though, which would feature-freeze them, and I'm not sure the systemd > people would be happy about that. No one would be happy about. Blocking upstream development or trying to be more clever than upstream is generally a bad idea. And i really like the idea. > System-wide systemd-only services past the early boot stage are just > bad design, do not currently exist and we shouldn't encourage their > creation. And why. elaborate it a bit more ... Cheers Alf PS: I'm not a systemd fanboi - i just use it - and i'm happy that it goes out of my way most of the time - on desktop and servers. And i'm an old fart, so i know the time before systemd well - to be honest, if someone would turn back time i would abandon Linux and go back to some sane system like Windows. I just don't want one minute on sysv anymore. In Linux it is dead for the vast majority - and i'm thankful for. -- Alf Gaida BDBF C688 EFAD BA89 5A9F 464B CD28 0A0B 4D72 827C
