"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" <enrico.weig...@gr13.net> writes:
> What about the enforced replace on dist-upgrade, which at least produces > lots of extra work and can easily cause systems being unbootable ? It's an urban legend that people are getting all upset about even though it's not actually true? Right now, there is a pre-upgrade step that you have to take (apt-get install sysvinit-core prior to dist-upgrade) to avoid switching to systemd [*]. That's certainly not the best imaginable UI, but there's nothing "enforced" about an upgrade that you can easily avoid with one preliminary step. Those of us who have been using Debian for a while and have gone through many dist-upgrades will remember several releases where there were pre-upgrade steps we had to take for dist-upgrade to succeed, including some that could make the system unbootable if forgotten. It's never ideal, but, once again, people are confusing the normal variation of Debian releases with the end of the world because the letters "systemd" happen to be attached. (This is not to say that we shouldn't aspire to doing better when we can. Only that people are getting unnecessarily panicked about this.) [*] It's possible that you may also have to add a pin and/or install systemd-shim, but hopefully not. I think if a pin is also necessary, there's a bug somewhere, although I haven't investigated it myself and don't know how easy it would be to fix that bug. Regardless, one step or two, we can certainly document this in the release notes even if it doesn't get better before the release. We should definitely sort out the exact working instructions for what we ship with jessie and get them into the release notes before we release. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87y4qkekn3....@hope.eyrie.org