Geeks don't complain Geeks don't worry :-)
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > Bjoern Meier: > > > I entirely concur his language was unacceptable. > > > > Really? All that because of that a human being used an emotional > > language? > > Yes. Human beings are perfectly able to communicate dislike for another > human's actions in a way that does not imply disrespect for that person. > > Therefore, not using that ability implies a bunch of ideas like "don't > care whether the person this is directed at is hurt/offended/?!?", "don't > care if this list is full of invectives and personal attacks", "it's OK not > to differentiate between personal attacks and disagreements about $SUBJECT", > and whatnot. > > The exact implications depend on the recipients' culture and socialization, > which is why this is not an easy problem to solve. Especially if the sender > does not understand that. > > > Is a proper language more useful than that "we"? > > There are enough people out there who choose not to participate in an > environment where that kind of language is rampant. You don't know at whom > it's going to be directed next. > > <personal aside> > I myself do not have that thick a skin and do not WANT to NEED a safety > shield every time I post on a Debian list. > > It should not be surprising that I switched to Ubuntu, ten years or so ago. > Well, I'm back here because Debian has become much better at this, and > franky I want to stay because I can learn a lot here. But I'd be unable to > do that if our discussion culture reverts back to what it was. > > Do we _really_ want to limit participation in Debian to the typical Western > white group of thick-skinned guys (and the VERY occasional gal) who can > (and, more to the point, _want_to_) tolerate that kind of culture where > makign a mistake will get you fried to a crisp? > > I don't know about you, but I do not. > > > I prefer a trustworthy, emotional community over a "smile before me > > and stab me from behind"-community. > > > This is not a dichotomy. Most people are perfectly able to be emotional > without being hurtful. > > === > > All that being said, I do agree that Thorsten has a valid point and that > the actions of the maintainer he flamed do in turn imply disrespect. > > But that's a separate problem. > > -- > -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141013080143.ga10...@rlogin.dk
