-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/05/2014 at 07:26 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 09/05/2014 at 04:57 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > >> Noel Torres wrote: > >>> So we are clearly failing to follow the least surprise (for >>> the user) path. >>> >>> Should not logind depend on systemd-shim | systemd-sysv >>> instead? > >> No. Systemd is the default init system. The default dependencies >> should reflect that. > > Is there any clear consensus on what it means to be the "default" > in this context? > > There are multiple possible meanings, and I think some of the > disputes which have arisen may be rooted at least partly in > disagreement about which of those meanings applies. > > One possible meaning would be "the init system which will be > installed as active by the default debian-installer, unless the > user explicitly selects otherwise". By itself, that would not mean > that package dependencies should necessarily prefer systemd over > any other init system, though there might be reasons in some cases > for doing them differently anyway - such as, in the case at hand, > avoiding causing people to switch from one init system to the > other without realizing what they're doing or how to avoid doing > it. I attached this "such as" section to the wrong paragraph, in editing before send; it belongs on the other given possible meaning, below. My apologies for any confusion this may cause. > Another possible meaning would be "the init system which is > recommended to be used unless there is active reason to do > otherwise", which is a stronger statement. That would indeed more > support the idea that package dependencies should prefer systemd > over other init systems, though again, there might be reasons in > any given case for doing them differently. > > There may well be other potential meanings - I think I've run > across at least one more in the past - but that should serve as > examples, at least. > > Would it be worth clarifying what the participants in this > discussion (and possibly similar ones) understand "default" as > meaning in the context of "default init system for jessie", and > possibly clarifying that more officially on a broader scale for > future reference? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUCZ7EAAoJEASpNY00KDJrSAMP/RA+gKHqVfFSK90DHiq4Q6IF E8rnIXtMmzG178FUWXjrs2L/hOI/M2OIvUykCHtqx/qgbWjLqBMdMAtDTxFpdyLD niQhEC4EuCtj2yPmT4UkgV05Vb1VkpawUAV4HXgzTuGWBZ/Waj55W7LtdC4Jn7FM OyeevzrctQ+423ipqSG6oPnhTAshxdOt/GO6XITwXVUbz8A/pq8oijf+N9p7nwHw iioH8JeRotTdl2GOmCN1QOA8e3EIJO2qk7KQbL+BoPcNYokzKHFiqs4azqEqqw2r Slr2z8i1iMAuLqwHjlyU1yNY6+mUMmkrlhztm/DTA6GrQ2QlHMpoIwo+UC8tLEvO bP9AN3XyI0TUOLPfbV8j1VqySeEkmR6yI9cbmI1wT7MZNZ3beIfiYH6YASOoKjCS WLoUQL7BCiGzBM7H70FgDKivcvv6uA4Gh4PUBe+qSaN0/yJ25deQXPeGvD37G0Hg hinimpMX3ZIORSYopVrSywV07Abv8o4T/hA4LxZIC+jv6pbNpBnzfckOHdbweCJM zenZeVFSdbvlDxTVMVZod2hdTBgyGYOdPcw+iijaiwccxJyE0PqHOAuxFxokZrHT yy6BJPRLqHeu17bqArq3kbHUNpTT/hSvBkXV3fvbtF6mqsmbcQjqNmjnSzw0xmJY n3tMAMk+/rw9D3xzrs2w =J9s8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: https://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
