-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/05/2014 at 04:57 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Noel Torres wrote: > >> So we are clearly failing to follow the least surprise (for the >> user) path. >> >> Should not logind depend on systemd-shim | systemd-sysv instead? > > No. Systemd is the default init system. The default dependencies > should reflect that. Is there any clear consensus on what it means to be the "default" in this context? There are multiple possible meanings, and I think some of the disputes which have arisen may be rooted at least partly in disagreement about which of those meanings applies. One possible meaning would be "the init system which will be installed as active by the default debian-installer, unless the user explicitly selects otherwise". By itself, that would not mean that package dependencies should necessarily prefer systemd over any other init system, though there might be reasons in some cases for doing them differently anyway - such as, in the case at hand, avoiding causing people to switch from one init system to the other without realizing what they're doing or how to avoid doing it. Another possible meaning would be "the init system which is recommended to be used unless there is active reason to do otherwise", which is a stronger statement. That would indeed more support the idea that package dependencies should prefer systemd over other init systems, though again, there might be reasons in any given case for doing them differently. There may well be other potential meanings - I think I've run across at least one more in the past - but that should serve as examples, at least. Would it be worth clarifying what the participants in this discussion (and possibly similar ones) understand "default" as meaning in the context of "default init system for jessie", and possibly clarifying that more officially on a broader scale for future reference? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUCZ3hAAoJEASpNY00KDJrvooP/Rrb0O0IjTK+PN2uLtiHUOjZ JcmNZXGuTzsvsNCLMaTwXbi1kGQJtrA3DuiKtG5E2AtHC7j7gSctwB/peGBLlXwp wMOFtn2pfWrwWpFQ10VWxCpUvq6fj/wQ4boIjuapXJ91N+KCbO/ydh8TW2gNGbcE catB5qVbAZDP1iTZkydTpj55PGe8wiSrd0EfXgGSxDbNM6cSPRkWSNL++TGq+G/s 0mf6rwZ1vwopMxurYpwwI0kl1653XI5Nw4L09vjg4Gq8QZkaMFPLBcRv3v6cIOJ0 WThqvN9fBQCVI7+1bAZ7lnWiX55CQtTJkxe9x7Klqqw6yIJjgG2O+XNiDYpI/Btc ZTiV6P8q229aBHS1WVAnpq2lfjPTTfSgPCjLom+vnuwPJ/k+aH2WdQtxzQxpAWYR LMIvA5Yx7qpSWjrVoMK2vmLgtpS8XDMTTlIDHviTRQdslsJWo+kvXqQ50wb7s+wA x1GNeS67haI81R9YlSNgIr3Q6zuHQG0H4dd6Bxw42b2l7Rvqel0JUUk5hfVeZP4e TOMPop6bqatcxOAB2oU7z79A8yyhsSuO6jgQvLinp/OUUxT7jE8G0lAP7A0uIUmM kxpMLmk+9MQOBcLAFkSQGXX+hqHxNyweq3OCfKpPTIIJeT1Sv72kzxfwQQcmvqSV xEKu72QfdyE0kzZhuShv =glMk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54099de1.5080...@fastmail.fm
