On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 05:48:13PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: > Neil McGovern wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 02:38:51PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > > It is unreasonable to tell the users and upstreams that Debian is > > > going to keep users on a known inferior version by default for a long > > > time, just in case more testing is needed to discover problems in the > > > release version (often in addition to multiple already discovered > > > problems that Debian is intentionally leaving for users to suffer > > > from, as the most natural way to fix them would be to update to a > > > newer upstream version). > > > > > > > You may consider it most natural, the rest of the project values > > stability and not introducing untested new features. > > I think you misunderstood that as saying I wanted to change packages in > stable; the above was from the perspective of unstable (the natural way > to fix known issues in unstable would be to upload a new upstream > version). I do not believe there is any project-wide consensus to avoid > newer versions in unstable. >
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStability. Also see dev-ref 3.1. And the huge amount of discussion that lead to http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals in 2005. As for consensus, have a read over this thread to see if there's anyone supporting your views. > > Perhaps you may > > feel more at home in a different distribution which aligns with your > > priorities more. > > I think unstable works reasonably well outside release problems (there > are sometimes issues with new enough packages not being available, but I > think those are mostly due to activity of individual maintainers, not > project priorities). > And I don't believe it to be a shared view of all Debian maintainers > that only stable releases matter, and users of unstable are only tools > to use to polish stable. > Nor do I believe that all other users of unstable are only trying to > help create stable releases for others to use, intentionally > sacrificing their own experience to do so. > And whatever distro I personally choose, as upstream of packaged > software I certainly do not approve of Debian leaving its upstable > users at a known inferior version during long release freezes. > Wow. I would have liked to find a source in dev-ref or something which pointed out explicitly the commitment to releases. But I can't because we've been doing releases for NEARLY 20 YEARS. You seem to believe that unstable is more important than stable releases. I do not. One of us is in the wrong project. Neil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130401154519.gn7...@halon.org.uk
