John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de> writes: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:34:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> At this point, the single most annoying thing about systemd is the >> people who are advocating it on debian-devel at every opportunity and >> seem incapable of shutting up about it for more than a week, even >> though the repeated conversations are both useless to the project as a >> whole and don't vary with repetition. > And for me, the most annoying thing is the neverending circlejerk of > systemd bashing on a non-technical basis. This is something that you're all (collectively) enabling via your behavior of constantly repeating the same arguments. Someone has to stop. Preferrably everyone at once. > If anyone of these people would really take the time to read into the > design rationales of the available init systems (upstart, systemd, > sysvinit, openrc), look at the popularity and the amount of > contributors, the decision would be far easier to make. This is the key point: WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW. We simply are not. It doesn't matter how many messages you write to debian-devel, what arguments you muster, and what evidence you have: this decision will not be made right at this moment, in the middle of a release freeze, prior to completing the Policy work for even testing a migration to systemd. It's absolutely impossible that any firm decision will be made at any time before the wheezy release is complete. I think it's rather unlikely until we have a clear policy for how people should add systemd support in their packages and those package maintainers who chose to do so have started to enable it. (I think we're actually fairly close to such a policy, but it's not formalized yet.) Therefore, every time you continue to argue about this on debian-devel, the *only* thing that you are accomplishing is to feed what you accurately describe as a never-ending circlejerk, by providing it with more material, more ammunition, more fodder for the discussion to continue and continue and continue. This is all equally true of the people who hate systemd. It would also be true of the people who advocate upstart or OpenRC, except you'll notice that they've largely stopped discussing the topic except when they can't stop themselves from rebutting some specific technical point. That's wise. It's worthy of emulation. Please, let's *stop talking about this*, apart from the much more specific, straightforward, and *useful* discussion of what further work is required to enable those who wish to do so to run systemd as their init process in Debian. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87obigarbv....@windlord.stanford.edu
