+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2012-11-24 18:30 +0100]: > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 06:03:02PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 05:15:25PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > If both Ubuntu and Gentoo would just go with the rest of the community > > > and accept systemd, we wouldn't have to bother whether udev runs > > > without systemd or not. > > > > I would highly prefer a system where I can take small bites if I want > > to, and where components are as portable as possible > > Why? Why would you want to rip such low-level stuff apart? It > seriously doesn't make any sense unless you need a highly-customized > setup, for embedded applications, for example.
Right. Exactly. You have a very 'desktoppy' view of the world. Embedded people have been using different init systems for years, and sometimes running without udev entirely, and different device-configuration schemes. This stuff matters, and making bigger monolithic pieces is, in general, not helpful. > When you have something > such low-level, you're best off with taking the best solution which > is clearly systemd I don't think everyone agrees that this is at all clear. > I'm sorry for the harsh tone, but it's really something that annoys > me, people constantly complaining about systemd but never really > coming up with good arguments why something as low-level as > systemd/udev should be replacable in the first place. 95% of the users > don't care and just want something that's reliable. 95% of _desktop_ users, which is a tiny fraction of _linux_ users. Your perspective is highly skewed. Linux is a very wide ecosystem, with many many use cases. Who are you to tell all those people that they are wrong to want/need to use udev without systemd, or indeed use something other than systemd for their init process? Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM http://wookware.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121129145155.gm9...@stoneboat.aleph1.co.uk
