On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:02:16PM +0200, Luca Niccoli wrote: > 2009/4/15 David Nusinow <da...@gravitypulls.net>: > > > Please see the reply I just posted to the bug for a partial explanation of > > why using hal is important for more than just hotplugging. I'll be writing > > up a more complete explanation soon. > > I understand that hal fills an important gap in linux; I think that > from an architectural point of view, an abstraction layer is the way > to go. > The problem is that, in my experience, hal is a horrible piece of > software. It makes my (computing) life worse. Its obscure, erratic > behaviour and the lack of documentation make me feel like when I was > using windows 98. (ok, not *that* bad, but kind of) > I am willing to pay the price to avoid it as long as possible > (hopefully it will get better, or replaced, in the future), and since > it looks like it's possible ATM, I would really be happy if X did not > depend on that. > (I see you've written that probably X dependency on hal will be > demoted, I appreciate.) > > 2009/4/15 Tollef Fog Heen <tfh...@err.no>: > > > A machine without USB or PCI is not a particularly common sight those > > days. Heck, even machines without SATA are becoming uncommon. > > I should have stated more clearly that I meant hot plugging for X. > I hotplug my USB disks since when hal didn't exist. > I never hot plugged a SATA disk, but I don't think you need hal to do that. > Anyway, you are being PC-centric. Debian is getting on many low power > devices that often don't have USB, nor PCI, nor SATA, though they have > a graphical interface (e.g. mobile phones). > And a bloat like hal hurts even more there.
Maybe you missed the part where X without hal is actually the bloat. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=91;bug=515214 Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
