On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 08:51:01PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:12:42 +0000 > Gerrit Pape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lacking any response, I can only guess what the reason for the delay > > is. > > IMHO, the response has been given and your replies have not provided > sufficient grounds to change the response. Personally, I think that is > entirely fair. > > > >From my point of view this reason is questionable, and I stated so > > >in my > > response to the reject mail. Receiving no response within eight weeks > > tells me that discussing doesn't work. > > Discussions only work when new information is available. Rehashing the > same points in the hope that repetition wins the day is just boring.
Hi, surely new information was made available, see my reply to the rejection mail http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2008/09/msg00055.html Additionally to addressing technical issues, I took the advise from ftpmasters and reconsidered re-uploading the packages. After two months, and receiving several mails from users asking about the progress of the inclusion into Debian main after qmail was placed into the public domain, I re-read some public mails like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318#35 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318#50 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318#111 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318#121 http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2008/03/msg00149.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2008/07/msg00003.html This made me think there're people interested in having the packages included, so here we are. > > On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:36:07PM +0000, Gerrit Pape wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 02:19:30PM +0000, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > > Aside from these technical - and possibly fixable - problems, we > > > > (as in the ftpteam) have discussed the issue, and we are all of > > > > the opinion that qmail should die, and not receive support from > > > > Debian. As such we *STRONGLY* ask you to reconsider uploading > > > > those packages. > > > > > > > > Qmail is dead upstream and requires a whole set of patches to even > > > > begin to work in the manner expected of a modern MTA. Given > > > > this, the fact that this means there is also no upstream security > > > > support, and the fact that Debian already contains at least three > > > > reasonable MTAs, we see no need to add qmail to the archive. So - > > > > please reconsider if it really helps Debian to have those > > > > packages. Also feel free to start a public discussion on > > > > debian-devel@lists.debian.org about the issue, including any > > > > relevant information from this email, in order to gather opinions > > > > from other project members. > > To me, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable and calm response to > your original question. > > Packages that are dead upstream are always going to be a headache for > the security team and the release team. Bit rot is a constant source of > new bugs as all the packages around the dead one(s) continue to be > developed and improved. > > > > We all know, I guess, that there's lots of different opinions on the > > > quality and usability of qmail. There're people thinking like you, > > > and other people, including me, that have a different opinion. I > > > respect your opinion, please respect ours too. You're free to not > > > install/use the packages. I've been contacted by several people > > > since I announced my intention to package qmail, speaking in favor > > > of the inclusion into Debian. > There are always different opinions. What matters is whether there is > any new information to bring to the discussion. >From my experience, starting a discussion about what the ftpmasters wrote above leads to nowhere, so I refrained from doing so and talked about opinions. To me it's clear that upstream isn't dead, I see signs of him doing development on dnscurve for example. Also qmail has security support, not only that, it has a security guarantee. And it doesn't need a whole set of patches, I know that, I use my packages since years. Finally, the source package is netqmail, which is created by a team of valuable qmail contributors, maintained and supported by them. This information is included in debian/copyright and the README file. Regards, Gerrit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
