On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 19:39 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> > Hm, no, the impression that I got from this discussion that at least
>> > several people here think the result of "Further discussion" is:
>> >
>> > i Do we require source for firmware in main: Yes
>> > ii Do we allow the Release Team to ignore SC violation bugs: No
>> > iii What do we do for Lenny: Wait
>> > iV Do we modify foundation documents: No
>> > v Do we override foundation documents No
>> >
>> > and that seems to be consistent with what Manoj is ruling about overrides
>> > of the SC.
>>
>> This is my reading, yes. As far as I see, the SC is pretty
>> clear, and leaves us no other option.
>
> It seems very convenient to decide at the same time that "further
> discussion" equals proposition #1 and that other propositions require
> 3:1 majority.
>
> This means that, if proposition #1 fails to gather 1:1 majority and
> other propositions fail to gather 3:1 (a very likely outcome), you get
> to decide that proposition #1 applies anyway.
>
> It makes me feel uneasy.
The decision comes from here:
,----[ The Debian Social Contract ]
|
| 1. Debian will remain 100% free
|
| We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if a work is
| `free' in the document entitled `The Debian Free Software
| Guidelines'. We promise that the Debian system and all its
| components will be free according to these guidelines.
`----
,----[ The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG) ]
| 2. Source Code
|
| The program must include source code, and must allow distribution in
| source code as well as compiled form.
`----
,----[ The Debian Constitution ]
| 1. A Foundation Document is a document or statement regarded as
| critical to the Project's mission and purposes.
| 2. The Foundation Documents are the works entitled `Debian Social
| Contract' and `Debian Free Software Guidelines'.
| 3. A Foundation Document requires a 3:1 majority for its
| supersession. New Foundation Documents are issued and existing
| ones withdrawn by amending the list of Foundation Documents in
| this constitution.
`----
So, really, we cannot release programs (firmware) in main
without source code just because a few delegates think we should.
We can make the argument that the blobs have not been proven to
be non-source code; however unlikely that is, and turn a blind eye to
the unlikelyness of them being actual source code while we release
lenny, or we can change or supersede the foundation documents,
temporarily or permanently.
manoj
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