#include <hallo.h> * Manoj Srivastava [Sat, Oct 26 2002, 12:10:06AM]:
> Maintainability? There is more to clean code than mere > aesthetics. As the kernel moves towards initrds and modularity, > crufty Yes, you and Xu are of the same kind. You place some ideals (code perfectness, even with harmless code) over user's wishes. > Ian> Guesswork. No-one in this argument has any concrete data. > > Yes. But the mainainer, being close to the package, and > presumably interacting with more users than non maintainers, often > has a better feel for subjective guess work like this. Exactly this is the question and the answer (here) is: NO. > Ian> Do business users often turn on quotas on desktop machines ? I'd be > Ian> surprised. For servers, of course, most people will (or should!) > Ian> build their own kernels. > > Then I think you should be prepared to be surprised; > Dec/Compaq, the university of massachusetts at amherst (various > departments), and several other companies I a=have ahd contact with > all had soft and hard quotas turned on. Well, on how machines? Sure they should be enabled on large servers, the number of them is not impressive. > The maintainer has come up with a reasonable stance that the > solution requires suboptimal code; prevents inclusion of > modular code that other users may like, there is a reasonable > alternative (vga16), and in his considered judgement > fulfillment of the wishlist is bad. When the maintainer does not give much on the user's wishes if they do not match their own's, I will fight against this rule (*). I showed that vga16 is an excuse and not a replacement. (*): A fresh case, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=121335&repeatmerged=yes Prety easy to fix in the kernel and it would work for any program. But how refuses to accept this simple fix, because of the same "only-my-upstream-code-as-modules-is-perfect"-dogma? > The ctte has no grounds to override the maintainer based on > mere guesswork, since they can't in honesty claim to have better > guesses than the maintainer. Reminds me on the Ivanova's God speech, but those days it was funny(**). Gruss/Regards, Eduard. PS: (**) On your way back I'd like you to memorize the Babylon 5 mantra. Ivanova is always right. I will listen to Ivanova. I will not ignore Ivanova's recommendations. Ivanova is god. And, if this ever happens again, Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out. Babylon control out.
