On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 21:17 -0500, Jonathan Yu wrote:
> Hi:
>
> [Cc'ing Adam Kennedy since I'm not sure if he's subscribed to debian-devel]
>
> Since Adam mentions that Perl's pip predates Python's pip by a
> significant margin, I think we should close this issue by renaming
> Python's installer back to pyinstall. It doesn't seem fair for someone
> who came on the scene later (who didn't do the appropriate research,
> and who, when prompted with the problem, decided to proceed with pip
> anyway) to be able to usurp the namespace from Perl.
Some facts:
-----------
pip
- It's in the archive since 2002-08
- It never entered testing or stable
- It's average popcon since 2004 is about 10 (out of 70000)
- It's popularity suddenly increased in Octobre (reaching 68)
python-pip
- It's in the archive since 2009-04
- It is in testing
- It's popcon is slowly and constantly increasing, reaching 57/70000
Why (perl) pip popcon suddenly[1] reached 68? Is it due to the new
version, or is it due to people installing it by mistake?
Non-factual!
------------
WTF?
1. Can't perl and python upstream just talk together, this is not
just about Debian. Having two ${p}-installer-program it just so
convenient, what ever the platform!
2. <flame>
Don't we use apt/dpkg in Debian?
Do those $pip install stuffs outside /usr/local?
Shouldn't those packages description mention that users should
ITP/RFP desired modules? and that modules installed "manually" are
guaranteed to:
- Never be upgraded by Debian on upgrade/security updates
- Conflict with some properly installed packages
- Download untrusted/unsigned material (?)
- Download stuffs with unknown license (?)
- Never be supported by Debian
</flame>
/usr/bin/pip should be a wrapper to invoke perl-pip and python-pop
randomly, in order to be really fair.
My 2ยข
Franklin
popcon data:
2009-05: python-pip 3 0 0 3 0
2009-05: pip 8 1 7 0 0
2009-06: python-pip 18 0 6 12 0
2009-06: pip 8 1 7 0 0
2009-07: python-pip 19 1 15 3 0
2009-07: pip 8 0 8 0 0
2009-08: python-pip 25 1 15 9 0
2009-08: pip 8 0 8 0 0
2009-09: python-pip 32 6 20 6 0
2009-09: pip 9 0 9 0 0
2009-10: python-pip 42 11 25 6 0
2009-10: pip 9 0 9 0 0
2009-11: python-pip 51 9 34 8 0
2009-11: pip 19 4 7 8 0
2009-12: python-pip 55 14 34 7 0
2009-12: pip 68 15 10 43 0
[1] http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=pip
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=python-pip
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