Glenn, I just installed in a Virtual environment using the Latest Debian Net Install iso.
Nothing said "something else". These were the choices. 1) Debian desktop environment, (*) 2) ... GNOME, 3) ... xfce, 4) ... GNOME Flashback, 5) ... KDE Plasma, 6) ... Cinnamon, 7) ... MATE, (*) 8) ... LXDE, 9) ... LXQt, 10) ... web server, 11) ... ssh server, 12) ... standard system utilities, (*) 1, 7 and 12 will be installed as default if you do nothing. I just did another install just selecting 12 but I didn't have Internet, I probably could use those commands someone gave us, but without Internet to access my email and see what those commands are, I'm up a dry creek without a paddle. nmcli and nmtui need to be installed with standard system utilities #12. Regards, David On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 8:07 PM K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: > David, > It said a choice was called: > "something else". > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n...@arrl.net> > *To:* K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> > *Cc:* Geoff Shang <ge...@quitelikely.com> ; > debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2023 11:01 PM > *Subject:* Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and > screen reader > > What was the "something else"? I don't know, and I can't tell you unless > you tell me. > > This page says you will have choices, but doesn't list the choices: > 6.3. Using Individual Components (debian.org) > <https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html#ftn.idm2653> > > It does say that right at package selection you have a working Debian > system. > > The Package Selection part says this helpful thing. > > The “Desktop environment” task will install a graphical desktop > environment. > The instructions referenced above with the link says the default graphical > desktop environment is GNOME but I've found that it installs MATE. > > I cannot find anywhere where it tells me where the Package Selections are, > so I made a vmware installation of the latest Debian Net Install. > > 1) Debian desktop environment, (*) > 2) ... GNOME, > 3) ... xfce, > 4) ... GNOME Flashback, > 5) ... KDE Plasma, > 6) ... Cinnamon, > 7) ... MATE, (*) > 8) ... LXDE, > 9) ... LXQt, > 10) ... web server, > 11) ... ssh server, > 12) ... standard system utilities, (*) > > 1, 7 and 12 will be installed as default if you do nothing. > > So for a CLI system, I'm going to just install 12, standard system > utilities. > > But first since I already have a virtual system, I am going to install the > Default: > 1) Debian desktop environment, 7) ... MATE, and 12) ... standard system > utilities. > > The system comes up in MATE with MATE programs, no GNOME as the Debian > pages https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst said. > > I deleted the Virtual Debian installation and reinstalled just picking > #12, standard system utilities. > > This time I had no networking like I had with the Default installation, 1, > 7, and 12. > > Also the programs nmcli and nmtui both were not available, so I have no > way to access the Internet. > > It might be my Virtual Box settings, I've had to play around with them > before to get connectivity, but the default settings would not allow me to > ping google.com. > > So it looks like you'll still need to either install a GUI then purge the > GUI programs for MATE or connect to Ethernet or use the difficult for me to > remember console commands to connect. My notebook only has WiFi.. > > Regards, > David > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 3:47 PM K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: > >> David, >> The way the menus were laid out over SSH, it sounded like #13 was >> something else >> But I wasn't sure if it was stating that this was #13, but all the other >> choices were desktop environments, which I knew I didn't want. >> Glenn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n...@arrl.net> >> *To:* K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> >> *Cc:* Geoff Shang <ge...@quitelikely.com> ; >> debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:46 PM >> *Subject:* Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking >> and screen reader >> >> Glenn, >> >> You didn't say what choice #13 is. >> >> Just select nothing at all. >> >> Then get smxi and install your console browsers and utilities. >> >> SMXI always is at http://smxi.org/smxi.zip. >> >> Download and unzip and the file you want to run is "smxi". So chmod +x >> that file and run it using root from the directory you downloaded it to by >> using ./smxi the smxi script will move itself where it belongs. >> >> Run smxi as root and follow the prompts to update and upgrade then go to >> Program Install and install Console Browsers, Console Utilities and Ceni >> which is an accessible network manager. >> >> Then you'll have a functional console system just remember the command >> for Ceni has a capital "C". Install nmcli and nntui when you have >> networking using "apt install nmcli nntui". >> >> Does anyone remember the very old text menu for Debian? It allowed users >> to select programs by description, they were all console interface programs. >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2023, 12:55 K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: >> >>> Does this install anything CLI only? >>> I ran it, and the menus via SSH are sketchy, I wanted to select >>> "something >>> else" and I think it is #13, but I was afraid of doing a desktop >>> install, >>> because if I accidentally did that, the OMV won't install, and I would >>> have >>> to start over with my Debian CLI setup. >>> Glenn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Geoff Shang" <ge...@quitelikely.com> >>> To: <debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and >>> screen reader >>> >>> >>> > On Tue, 30 May 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: >>> > >>> >> I don't even know what you're talking about. If I knew what your >>> message >>> >> meant and how to do it, I'd gladly do it, but I don't understand your >>> >> message, someone here must. >>> > >>> > In Debian, there is a package called tasksel. The program that it >>> > provides runs as part of the installation, but you can also presumably >>> run >>> > it at any time. >>> > >>> > This is the part of the installation where you can choose categories >>> of >>> > software which wil be installed. This is the part where I said that >>> you >>> > can install a text only ssytem but not installing any of the desktop >>> > environments. >>> > >>> > If I run tasksel on my installed system, I get the following screen: >>> > >>> > Software selection >>> > ------------------ >>> > >>> > You can choose to install one or more of the following predefined >>> > collections of software. >>> > >>> > 1. Debian desktop environment 4. ... GNOME Flashback 7. ... MATE >>> 10. >>> > web server >>> > 2. ... GNOME 5. ... KDE Plasma 8. ... LXDE >>> 11. >>> > SSH server >>> > 3. ... Xfce 6. ... Cinnamon 9. ... LXQt >>> 12. >>> > laptop >>> > >>> > (Enter the items or ranges you want to select, separated by spaces.) >>> > >>> > Choose software to install: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > This has changed a bit over time. You can see in the above list that >>> > options 1 through 9 are all GUI-related, with Web Server, SSH Server >>> and >>> > Laptop as the remaining ptions. I know in the past there were things >>> like >>> > print server. >>> > >>> > Anyway, Samuel is suggesting reporting a bug against the tasksel >>> package, >>> > requesting that a "textual desktop" option be added and listing which >>> > packages that this option should install. >>> > >>> > You can use reportbug to do this. >>> > >>> > I've not used reportbug in some time so I can't really speak to using >>> it, >>> > but it should be installed and I'm guessing there's documentation for >>> it. >>> > >>> > HTH, >>> > Geoff. >>> > >>> >>>
