Hi Jason,
I'm reading on-line on using debootstrap and I'm stuck on the first part,
making the partition on the target media for the FS.
I read ahead and installed debootstrap and build-essentials.
But the first part says to use gparted, and I only have fdisk or parted.
I don't know for sure how to make it, other than ext 4.
Like what other flags do I need on the partition and it stated something about
blocks at the beginning.
Thanks if anyone can help.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason White
To: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. ; K0LNY
Cc: Geoff Shang ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and
screen reader
If you're genuinely dissatisfied with the options provided by the Debian
installer, you can always use Debootstrap to install Debian from the command
line, and choose exactly the packages you want.
On 31/5/23 00:21, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
Glenn,
I just installed in a Virtual environment using the Latest Debian Net
Install iso.
Nothing said "something else".
These were the choices.
1) Debian desktop environment, (*)
2) ... GNOME,
3) ... xfce,
4) ... GNOME Flashback,
5) ... KDE Plasma,
6) ... Cinnamon,
7) ... MATE, (*)
8) ... LXDE,
9) ... LXQt,
10) ... web server,
11) ... ssh server,
12) ... standard system utilities, (*)
1, 7 and 12 will be installed as default if you do nothing.
I just did another install just selecting 12 but I didn't have Internet, I
probably could use those commands someone gave us, but without Internet to
access my email and see what those commands are, I'm up a dry creek without a
paddle.
nmcli and nmtui need to be installed with standard system utilities #12.
Regards,
David
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 8:07 PM K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
David,
It said a choice was called:
"something else".
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
To: K0LNY
Cc: Geoff Shang ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and
screen reader
What was the "something else"? I don't know, and I can't tell you
unless you tell me.
This page says you will have choices, but doesn't list the choices:
6.3. Using Individual Components (debian.org)
It does say that right at package selection you have a working Debian
system.
The Package Selection part says this helpful thing.
The “Desktop environment” task will install a graphical desktop
environment.
The instructions referenced above with the link says the default
graphical desktop environment is GNOME but I've found that it installs MATE.
I cannot find anywhere where it tells me where the Package Selections
are, so I made a vmware installation of the latest Debian Net Install.
1) Debian desktop environment, (*)
2) ... GNOME,
3) ... xfce,
4) ... GNOME Flashback,
5) ... KDE Plasma,
6) ... Cinnamon,
7) ... MATE, (*)
8) ... LXDE,
9) ... LXQt,
10) ... web server,
11) ... ssh server,
12) ... standard system utilities, (*)
1, 7 and 12 will be installed as default if you do nothing.
So for a CLI system, I'm going to just install 12, standard system
utilities.
But first since I already have a virtual system, I am going to install
the Default:
1) Debian desktop environment, 7) ... MATE, and 12) ... standard
system utilities.
The system comes up in MATE with MATE programs, no GNOME as the Debian
pages https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst said.
I deleted the Virtual Debian installation and reinstalled just picking
#12, standard system utilities.
This time I had no networking like I had with the Default installation,
1, 7, and 12.
Also the programs nmcli and nmtui both were not available, so I have no
way to access the Internet.
It might be my Virtual Box settings, I've had to play around with them
before to get connectivity, but the default settings would not allow me to ping
google.com.
So it looks like you'll still need to either install a GUI then purge
the GUI programs for MATE or connect to Ethernet or use the difficult for me to
remember console commands to connect. My notebook only has WiFi..
Regards,
David
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 3:47 PM K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
David,
The way the menus were laid out over SSH, it sounded like #13 was
something else
But I wasn't sure if it was stating that this was #13, but all the
other choices were desktop environments, which I knew I didn't want.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
To: K0LNY
Cc: Geoff Shang ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking
and screen reader
Glenn,
You didn't say what choice #13 is.
Just select nothing at all.
Then get smxi and install your console browsers and utilities.
SMXI always is at http://smxi.org/smxi.zip.
Download and unzip and the file you want to run is "smxi". So chmod
+x that file and run it using root from the directory you downloaded it to by
using ./smxi the smxi script will move itself where it belongs.
Run smxi as root and follow the prompts to update and upgrade then
go to Program Install and install Console Browsers, Console Utilities and Ceni
which is an accessible network manager.
Then you'll have a functional console system just remember the
command for Ceni has a capital "C". Install nmcli and nntui when you have
networking using "apt install nmcli nntui".
Does anyone remember the very old text menu for Debian? It allowed
users to select programs by description, they were all console interface
programs.
Regards,
David
On Tue, May 30, 2023, 12:55 K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Does this install anything CLI only?
I ran it, and the menus via SSH are sketchy, I wanted to select
"something
else" and I think it is #13, but I was afraid of doing a desktop
install,
because if I accidentally did that, the OMV won't install, and I
would have
to start over with my Debian CLI setup.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <ge...@quitelikely.com>
To: <debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with
Networking and
screen reader
> On Tue, 30 May 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>
>> I don't even know what you're talking about. If I knew what
your message
>> meant and how to do it, I'd gladly do it, but I don't
understand your
>> message, someone here must.
>
> In Debian, there is a package called tasksel. The program that
it
> provides runs as part of the installation, but you can also
presumably run
> it at any time.
>
> This is the part of the installation where you can choose
categories of
> software which wil be installed. This is the part where I said
that you
> can install a text only ssytem but not installing any of the
desktop
> environments.
>
> If I run tasksel on my installed system, I get the following
screen:
>
> Software selection
> ------------------
>
> You can choose to install one or more of the following
predefined
> collections of software.
>
> 1. Debian desktop environment 4. ... GNOME Flashback 7. ...
MATE 10.
> web server
> 2. ... GNOME 5. ... KDE Plasma 8. ...
LXDE 11.
> SSH server
> 3. ... Xfce 6. ... Cinnamon 9. ...
LXQt 12.
> laptop
>
> (Enter the items or ranges you want to select, separated by
spaces.)
>
> Choose software to install:
>
>
>
> This has changed a bit over time. You can see in the above
list that
> options 1 through 9 are all GUI-related, with Web Server, SSH
Server and
> Laptop as the remaining ptions. I know in the past there were
things like
> print server.
>
> Anyway, Samuel is suggesting reporting a bug against the
tasksel package,
> requesting that a "textual desktop" option be added and listing
which
> packages that this option should install.
>
> You can use reportbug to do this.
>
> I've not used reportbug in some time so I can't really speak to
using it,
> but it should be installed and I'm guessing there's
documentation for it.
>
> HTH,
> Geoff.
>
