Hi Bob,

You can get displaycal in a flatpak or there is a python3 port of it that you can install using pip.

-m

On 1/4/23 17:38, Bob Tregilus wrote:
Hi -

My apologies for causing a kerfuffle.

I am not a dev, just a user, albeit from SuSE 6.0.

I did not understand why there were packages for newer unsupported
xUbuntu versions and not for an older supported version. But now I
know: dependencies.

I always do fresh installs. I realize there are upgrade paths these
days, but I'm old school, I guess.

Therefore, with Mint, I wait for the version x.3 LTS before doing a
fresh install.

I'll just go ahead and install 21.1.

My biggest worry, however, is dispcalGUI being a dead project. I hope
it still works with xUbuntu 22.04.1? Guess I will find out. I need a
calibrated monitor. It will be a lot of work to figure out how to
calibrate from the command line with Argyll CMS.

Thanks for enlightening an old dopey user.

Bob



On 1/4/23, Mica Semrick <m...@silentumbrella.com> wrote:
Can you not just be polite though? Do we want the default reply here to be
"gruff with loosely associated facts?"

Essentially the question of "what happened to xxx package" was met with a
multi paragraph rant about LTS and Ubuntu and whatever. It didn't provide
the answer but instead veered off on it's own direction.

Not a great way to start the new year, if I'm honest.

-m

On January 4, 2023 9:57:39 AM PST, "ja...@activimetrics.com"
<ja...@activimetrics.com> wrote:
For what its worth, I read Matthias Andree's responses as perfectly
reasonable.  Yes the words were not exceedingly polite, but the
gruffness was backed with explanation.  I certainly did not read any
ad hominem attacks.

I was always of the opinion that if you stick with an LTS version of a
distro, you are stuck with *exactly* what the distro decides is worthy
of LTS support.

Especially in this new world of flatpaks.

For the record, I run slackware since forever, so building code from
source as a package is something I have to do now and then.  I would
never dream of asking the darktable devs to maintain a slackware
SlackBuild, let alone an installable package.

And when Mr. Volkerding and the inner slackware cabal decide that it
is time to release a new version, one upgrades shortly thereafter.

Regards, and back to lurking,

James

On Wed, Jan 04, 2023 at 07:43:10AM -0800, Mica Semrick wrote:
You're making a lot of assumptions here. Seems like you have some deeper
issue than someone asking a simple question about support. Maybe a break
from the computer is in order.

Happy new year
-m

On January 4, 2023 7:33:59 AM PST, Matthias Andree
<matthias.and...@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 04.01.23 um 15:58 schrieb Mica Semrick:
This answer is a bit rude and doesn't answer the original query.
It may be rude if you consider "who cares" rude, and prevents people
>from wasting their time while pointing out the actual issue, which is
"old distro" which is too old to build darktable 4.2.

There is an unmet dependency in Ubuntu 20.04 and the latest release
can no longer be built. See
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/what-happened-with-the-obs-builds/33588/2?u=darix for
more information.
Thanks for mass-confirming what I was writing.

And scared users in that thread posted in November 2022, 7 months after
release, that they still considered Ubuntu "new", when 22.04.1 was out
and from-LTS-to-next-LTS upgrades had been enabled. Exactly the kind of
support open-source maintainers want to be distracted with. I haven't
even looked whether the OBS people are the same as the darktable
people,
but you'd think it best to move things forward rather than tying them
up
in the past.

The thing is you can't have the cake and eat it, so everyone please
stop
pretending they could.

Ubuntu 20.04 (code-named focal fossa) shipped darktable 3.0, and
darktable being in the "universe" community-unmaintained package set...
being stuck with older darktable is a choice that people made by NOT
upgrading their Ubuntu LTS in the past three months.
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&searchon=names&keywords=darktable

And it's also either you choose a Ubuntu LTS distro and live with
whatever unmaintained ("universe") package came with it, and be stuck
with it, or you pick something that installs an app and all its distro
deps redundantly in a distro (snap or flatpack, if available) with all
the drawbacks of its isolation and bulk, or you need to move to a
distro
that is up to speed if your interest is "new software" and integrates
such quickly. Rolling or frequent releases and distros exist, but
that's
not Ubuntu LTS, and possibly no Debian-based distro at all.

Having said that, Fedora 37 or FreeBSD 13.1 built darktable 4.2 nicely
for me.

I wonder why all the world can expect everyone to maintain every new
package for their museum piece of desktop distro install and NOT be
considered rude. Expecting someone to maintain software or packages
thereof for older distros, on a voluntary basis, free of charge, is
what
I consider egoistic and rude. It is an enormous waste of resources.


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