Hi - My apologies for causing a kerfuffle.
I am not a dev, just a user, albeit from SuSE 6.0. I did not understand why there were packages for newer unsupported xUbuntu versions and not for an older supported version. But now I know: dependencies. I always do fresh installs. I realize there are upgrade paths these days, but I'm old school, I guess. Therefore, with Mint, I wait for the version x.3 LTS before doing a fresh install. I'll just go ahead and install 21.1. My biggest worry, however, is dispcalGUI being a dead project. I hope it still works with xUbuntu 22.04.1? Guess I will find out. I need a calibrated monitor. It will be a lot of work to figure out how to calibrate from the command line with Argyll CMS. Thanks for enlightening an old dopey user. Bob On 1/4/23, Mica Semrick <m...@silentumbrella.com> wrote: > Can you not just be polite though? Do we want the default reply here to be > "gruff with loosely associated facts?" > > Essentially the question of "what happened to xxx package" was met with a > multi paragraph rant about LTS and Ubuntu and whatever. It didn't provide > the answer but instead veered off on it's own direction. > > Not a great way to start the new year, if I'm honest. > > -m > > On January 4, 2023 9:57:39 AM PST, "ja...@activimetrics.com" > <ja...@activimetrics.com> wrote: >>For what its worth, I read Matthias Andree's responses as perfectly >>reasonable. Yes the words were not exceedingly polite, but the >>gruffness was backed with explanation. I certainly did not read any >>ad hominem attacks. >> >>I was always of the opinion that if you stick with an LTS version of a >>distro, you are stuck with *exactly* what the distro decides is worthy >>of LTS support. >> >>Especially in this new world of flatpaks. >> >>For the record, I run slackware since forever, so building code from >>source as a package is something I have to do now and then. I would >>never dream of asking the darktable devs to maintain a slackware >>SlackBuild, let alone an installable package. >> >>And when Mr. Volkerding and the inner slackware cabal decide that it >>is time to release a new version, one upgrades shortly thereafter. >> >>Regards, and back to lurking, >> >>James >> >>On Wed, Jan 04, 2023 at 07:43:10AM -0800, Mica Semrick wrote: >>> You're making a lot of assumptions here. Seems like you have some deeper >>> issue than someone asking a simple question about support. Maybe a break >>> from the computer is in order. >>> >>> Happy new year >>> -m >>> >>> On January 4, 2023 7:33:59 AM PST, Matthias Andree >>> <matthias.and...@gmx.de> wrote: >>> >Am 04.01.23 um 15:58 schrieb Mica Semrick: >>> >> This answer is a bit rude and doesn't answer the original query. >>> > >>> >It may be rude if you consider "who cares" rude, and prevents people >>> >from wasting their time while pointing out the actual issue, which is >>> >"old distro" which is too old to build darktable 4.2. >>> > >>> >> There is an unmet dependency in Ubuntu 20.04 and the latest release >>> >> can no longer be built. See >>> >> https://discuss.pixls.us/t/what-happened-with-the-obs-builds/33588/2?u=darix >>> >> for >>> >> more information. >>> > >>> >Thanks for mass-confirming what I was writing. >>> > >>> >And scared users in that thread posted in November 2022, 7 months after >>> >release, that they still considered Ubuntu "new", when 22.04.1 was out >>> >and from-LTS-to-next-LTS upgrades had been enabled. Exactly the kind of >>> >support open-source maintainers want to be distracted with. I haven't >>> >even looked whether the OBS people are the same as the darktable >>> > people, >>> >but you'd think it best to move things forward rather than tying them >>> > up >>> >in the past. >>> > >>> >The thing is you can't have the cake and eat it, so everyone please >>> > stop >>> >pretending they could. >>> > >>> >Ubuntu 20.04 (code-named focal fossa) shipped darktable 3.0, and >>> >darktable being in the "universe" community-unmaintained package set... >>> >being stuck with older darktable is a choice that people made by NOT >>> >upgrading their Ubuntu LTS in the past three months. >>> >https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&searchon=names&keywords=darktable >>> > >>> >And it's also either you choose a Ubuntu LTS distro and live with >>> >whatever unmaintained ("universe") package came with it, and be stuck >>> >with it, or you pick something that installs an app and all its distro >>> >deps redundantly in a distro (snap or flatpack, if available) with all >>> >the drawbacks of its isolation and bulk, or you need to move to a >>> > distro >>> >that is up to speed if your interest is "new software" and integrates >>> >such quickly. Rolling or frequent releases and distros exist, but >>> > that's >>> >not Ubuntu LTS, and possibly no Debian-based distro at all. >>> > >>> >Having said that, Fedora 37 or FreeBSD 13.1 built darktable 4.2 nicely >>> >for me. >>> > >>> >I wonder why all the world can expect everyone to maintain every new >>> >package for their museum piece of desktop distro install and NOT be >>> >considered rude. Expecting someone to maintain software or packages >>> >thereof for older distros, on a voluntary basis, free of charge, is >>> > what >>> >I consider egoistic and rude. It is an enormous waste of resources. >>> > >>> > >>> >___________________________________________________________________________ >>> >darktable developer mailing list >>> >to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>> > >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> darktable developer mailing list >>> to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>> >> >>-- >> >>James E. 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