Am 28.12.21 um 21:34 schrieb Christian Birzer:
Hi everyone,
I just started to play around with dt 'behind the scenes' a bit more
and noticed some things that I'd like to discuss - first, to get an
idea why things are like they are and second because probably I'd like
to change a few things to make the usage easier (at least, as I think...).
Currently, my focus is on the DAM module and specially on the tagging.
I come from LR and use tagging a lot there and find it really easy and
straightforward to use. (I know, dt is not LR but I think, dt
should/could be straightforward and easy to use too). Maybe you've
already seen my feature request on github, but that's an other topic.
The points I'd like to learn more about:
1. when I add a tag using the ctrl-t shortcut (where the input/filter
field in the thumbnail view opens), the tag is added to that image
where the mouse cursor is over. Even if other images are currently
selected. When the mouse is outside the thumbnail view, the selected
images are affected. While I find it very useful to set e.g. star or
color ratings by just pointing over a thumbnail without clicking on
it, I find it confusing that I have to take care of the mouse cursor
while adding a tag. Thats not just a one-key shortcut like a star
rating. Maybe it's just me or the view from a newbie, but I think it
could confuse others too...?
2. When I click in the tagging panel (tree or list mode, doesn't
matter), I can start to type and an input box below the tree/list
opens. It seems to select the first entry that matches. But I'd at
least expect when I hit enter that the entry is added to the tags of
the selected (not mouse-over) images. But nothing happens. It seems
that the filter box that's shown below the tree/list (where the
export-button is) does nothing at all.
3. When I enter my tag filter in the text box above the tree/list, the
list is filtered how I'd expect it. But then, I'd expect that I can
cursor-down to select the tag and hit enter to add it. But instead,
when I hit the cursor keys, the selection of the thumbnail is moved.
4. When I set the focus in the tag (dictionary) list/tree I can select
the tag I want using the cursor keys and would expect to add it via
enter again. But nothing happens.
5. In the tag (dictionary) tree, I'd like to use the right/left cursor
keys to expand/collapse a level by default. I know that this can be
achieved by a new key binding in the css file. I'd just like to know
if there are any benefits from using the default shift-left/right to
expand and ignoring the non-modified cursor keys.
So, please don't get me wrong. I don't want to make anything down.
Maybe it's just me who think it could be improved but in fact
everything is fine by design. If so, maybe you can explain the idea
behind these things (or point me to the location of the manual - I
didn't find these things explained).
But maybe it's just because it is "good enough" and nobody had the
time to make it better. In that case, maybe I can help and implement
some of my ideas...
BTW: I didn't want to open an issue on github for this. Firtly it
would have been a few single issues, and secondly it's not really a
bug or a missing feature. Its just not as smooth as "I" would like to
have it ;-)
And now, thanks for your patience :-)
Christian
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Hi Christian,
I have looked at a few Linux programs for image tagging and I like only
one of them, because it is the only one that is built around tagging.
Darktable is the one tool I warmed to fastest. I like it a lot, but for
tagging I use Kphotoalbum. KPA may have a few deficiencies, but tagging
is done just right. Just as the darkroom is my highlight in DT.
Have a look at the dedicated tagging dialog there and compare it to any
other tool (digicam, Bibble, DT, rawtherapee, ...). It takes a while to
get used to the tagging system, to decide on a set of categories and to
set up the right layout of the tagging dialog that fits your personal
taste but then it is easy and fast. Tagging 100 images for persons,
places, keywords and a few more categories takes me 10 to 20 minutes
depending on how many tags I use per image. Later it takes me just a few
seconds to sift out a certain set of images among 40-50k.
If KPA is not in the repos of your distribution, see here:
https://community.kde.org/KPhotoAlbum/build_instructions
@darktable authors: As tagging seems to be (not yet?) the main focus of
DT - why not have a look across the fence and steal some ideas or at
least get a bit of inspiration? I mean just the functionality of the
tagging dialog (not the way the tags are stored - that is a whole
different case). I think tagging warrants a separate view just as light
table and darkroom.
Best regards, Andreas
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