hello,
this is my first ever message in this mailing list... I've been trying to find a way to feed back to the dev teem for long... and I'm sure that a mailing list has a major drawback, namely, that it is NOT public... and therefore it does not allow for users to really interfere... cause in one conversation there will be one user / one dev in average cases... As to the sophistication of darktable... I totally agree with Francois... in fact, I couldn't agree more :) I am still writing my various suggestions, but this is something I though of a lot of times... to allow the users for a simplified and fast UI-alternative !!! :) this is not a new thing, you know it, everybody does... may applications have an advanced layout in the working environment... in which advanced features can be used... the good thing would be if darktable could also be used as the simplest photon viewing and editing application... and to this simple functionality, which would be the ground floor, could the users select more and more of the amazing advanced features... AND there's no need to remind you, this concept, as a matter of fact, has LONG been incorporated into darktable, as we can opt to see only modules that has been used, ALSO, we can opt to select our favorite modules! :) :) so, Francois could also receive a reply like, "this is a good approach, to both darktable and the photographers, and it is downright possible... why not allow the users a fast and smooth access to this brilliant application? they should learn only as much as they seek, and even that, only while already using darktable... learning digital image science should not be a perquisite :) as soon as someone opens it, she or he should be able to use it, and learn it, and enjoy its beautiful powers..." - - - as to "I guess I will have to record video tutorials in English then…" I think a tutorial is a bigger thing than just recording a video... first of all it should be done collectively... second, the official tutorials should be PROFESSIONAL... totally... like f* Microsot's :) :) tutorials are advertisements... I would suggest to have a workshop for that... so that people could write the script for the video together... and it should be done professionally both at the level of shooting... even selecting actors... (creative volunteers) and then at the level of editing, too... including choosing musical themes, etc... it is not a big deal, but.... Darktable has to be advertised as professionally as Photoshop... or Canon's DPP... cause it is not a garage projet--- and even garage projects start with taking themselves as seriously as the biggest commercial projects on Earth :) :) in any case... I would gladly sketch up a video creation workflow, if the dev team, or/and the dark table community agrees :) :) have a nice day! Peter Josvai (a low-key, experimental photo/videographer artist in Budapest) On Wed, 29 May 2019 12:28:33 +0200 Aurélien Pierre <rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: > I guess I will have to record video tutorials in English then… > > Le 29/05/2019 à 08:00, François Tissandier a écrit : > > "I personally think darktable should default to a neutral look (dark > > and ugly), but not all the dev team agrees." > > > > It all depends what target you have for Darktable. There are probably > > and surely not only pro photographers using it, and I'm not sure if > > all the passionate amateurs are doing enough homework to know all the > > theory and understand enough about the pixelpipe. I do not, > > apparently. I tried to document myself a bit over the years, but > > apparently, I still have a lot to learn :) I still don't think that an > > "expert" app like Darktable should be too oriented to real experts in > > the field, but i'm not the devs, it's your baby and you decide. I'm > > one of the target for the app, there must be others like me. I'm using > > tutorials to improve, reading also, but having an app that is both > > able to go deep in the editing, but without being too complicated to > > use at first seems like a good a balance. As you said Aurélien, if you > > show first a very dark flat and ugly image to users, most of the > > newcomers may just leave. If the default modules are, by design, a > > poor choice or broken (like the infamous base curve), that's also a > > problem. I'm not saying that all users must be assisted and pampered > > like babies, but a good compromise can be found. Again, it's all in > > the hands of the devs, and the kind of users you want for Darktable. > > I'm just giving my point of view as the "passionate photographer who > > doesn't know enough yet". > > > > François > > > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 7:49 AM Florian W <flo.wern...@gmail.com > > <mailto:flo.wern...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > @Paul > > > > Appart from the manual, there's several people on youtube either > > presenting what you can do module per module and what effect on an > > image can be expected for each slider (technical approach), or > > doing screen recording of photographs edit (retouch/artistic > > approach) for a full processing or targeted to a specific issue (a > > common one : noise reduction). Some do both. It is advised to > > watch these in 1080p quality. > > > > Sometimes seeing the effect in live on several photographs of > > different type (portrait, street, architectural...) is really a > > good complement of the textual + photo description of the manual. > > > > Checkout (if not already done) Robert Hutton (english), Rawfiner , > > carafife and Aurélien Pierre (french if you speak it). Aurélien > > has a some video on filmic that are really helpful to understand > > the technical aspect of the module, which can be a good help for > > getting the result you want with it. I would be surprised that > > none of these resource have no equivalent in other languages too. > > > > For the retouch process, more based on what you want to improve > > rather than the tool to perform it, there's also a lot of > > information targeted to Lightroom users in textual and videos on > > the internet. > > > > Florian Wernert > > Software engineer INSA > > In-training Neuroscience researcher > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/wernertflorian > > > > > > > > Le mer. 29 mai 2019 à 07:00, Andreas Schneider <a...@cryptomilk.org > > <mailto:a...@cryptomilk.org>> a écrit : > > > > On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 5:48:30 AM CEST paul sorenson wrote: > > > This thread is fascinating to me. Are there resources out > > there for > > > those who want to learn a more technical approach to editing > > with > > > Darktable. As has been mentioned elsewhere, the manual kind > > of presents > > > modules in isolation eg the base curve docs don't come with > > a warning - > > > well maybe a hint in the tip at the end. > > > > > > I am using 2.7 built from source with base curve turned off > > but still > > > tend to use filmic a bit by the seat of the pants. > > > > As always there are several ways to contribute to a Free and > > Open Source > > project. If you're not writing code, writing documentation is > > a very good way > > to contribute! > > > > -- > > Andreas Schneider a...@cryptomilk.org > > <mailto:a...@cryptomilk.org> > > GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > darktable developer mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org -- peter josvai <j...@cspv.hu> ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
