+1 On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:08 PM Jason Polak <jpo...@jpolak.org> wrote:
> I've been thinking a little more about this idea, and while some modules > might be better moved to other tabs (or a new set of tabs) like perhaps > 'color reconstruction', the current setup still seems to make more sense > in some ways too. For example: > > 1. I prefer the idea of the 'effects' tab (like watermark and framing) > to be separate from other things like perspective correction or spot > removal. Those things that are sometimes useful or interesting like > split toning seem to be genuinely different than correcting spots. > > 2. I don't think the base tab should have tonemap in it. It is a more > advanced tone module that belongs more in a separate tone group. > > One of the arguments made in this thread is that there have been many > usability requests in the past, and therefore that there is a huge > demand to improve the software. These requests only imply that there is > a subset of people who have trouble using darktable. Changing darktable > to be more aligned with their style might make darktable easier to use > for them, but in turn it might make it more cumbersome to use for others. > > Now, I'm not saying that these ideas are bad, but because people who > want darktable to change are going to be naturally more vocal than > people who like it as it is, we need to be careful that we don't make it > worse for many users by changing the UI for a few. > > For example, Aurelien's modifications are designed with a certain > workflow in mind. But for a different type of workflow, the new design > might actually be worse. For example, I like the idea of having the > modules grouped by what they do, not what order they come in during the > workflow. That's just the way my mind works. I suspect that some people > will prefer a more chronological ordering, and some people will prefer > an ordering based on their similarities in algorithm. darktable isn't > exactly like that now because of the basic tab, but aside from the basic > tab, it mostly is like that. > > Another thing we have to be careful with is the 'simplified' scheme > where a simplified panel is presented but where more advanced > modifications can be made if necessary. If this ever were to happen > (like a Lightroom style panel), there should be an option to disable it > and hide it completely because it would just get in my way. It does > sound like a good idea for some people, but again, that's just a mindset > and style of doing things that doesn't apply to everyone. I prefer for > example to see exactly what is going on and get into the details right > away. > > I also like the way the modules currently are displayed. I have most of > the modules activated (though not on a single picture) and I just have > the 'one open at at time' option, and I find the interface intuitive in > terms of switching and editing settings. Again, if others think > differently about how that works I would love there to be a setting for > them too, but the point is, drastic modifications at this point should > probably be an option unless it is crystal clear that it benefits everyone. > > Part of the appeal of darktable at least to me is that it just lays all > of its options plain and clear without trying to force a specific > editing style on the user. I would hate for darktable to become muddled > like lightroom with a 'clarity' slider or other sliders with ambiguous > labels that do things under the hood without my knowledge of exactly > what they are doing. Or even worse, something like > https://skylum.com/luminar, which aims to make the defaults something > 95% of people will be happy with....takes the fun out of raw editing in > my opinion - I am one of those that enjoys raw editing almost as much as > photography itself. > > Can the UI of darktable be improved? I am sure there are some > improvements to be made (like the middle-mouse click for new module that > was recently introdced - thanks devs!). On the other hand, I am sure a > lot of people (including myself) already find darktable to be pretty > intuitive and snappy to use, and we should be cautious of making changes > to it lest it upset the greatness it has achieved so far. > > Jason > > On 2018-10-08 12:59 AM, Dominik Markiewicz wrote: > > Hi, > > I've also my workflow, but it's a bit different then yours (crop is one > > of basic corrections for me, I almost never do noise removal as a one of > > first steps). I'm not a big fan of arbitrary change here. Agree with > > Jochen that custom tabs could be quite nice. > > > > To achieve something similar I just enable modules, add them as > > `favorite` and save this as a preset. Then add shortcuts for each of > > presets and I can easily switch between my groups of modules. > > > > Regards, > > Dominik > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
