karl3ļ¼ writeme.com wrote:
> We saw wild robot film.
> 
> Lots of pressed expressions about flight and nature robots and such. Right 
> now it is saying how to make a kite like the goose in the movie.
> 
> The part that seems most open is perhaps also controversial: "a rozzum always 
> completes its task." This is a classic challenge in the pursuit of tasks -- 
> to complete them reliably. And, it is where demons like the paperclip factory 
> come from, as well as the realization that in a world of limits, conflicts, 
> and changes, life comes from the discovery that we do not complete every task 
> we consider. We have to adjust our goals to meet what makes sense in the 
> universe, to succeed.
> 
> "Always completing a task" is a classic "impossible" challenge akin to those 
> I spam about. It's quite doable, especially if all the tasks set are easy to 
> complete.
> 
> Task completion seems to me based on prioritized exhaustion of available 
> approaches to meeting them. One I suppose needs enough axioms to continue 
> finding new useful approaches to meet tasks.
> 
> Smart systems improve their own task pursuit. Let's skip that part (can feel 
> painful

One might compare the idea of accomplishing a rask to a chess engine. In chess, 
we have a task that we politely and importantly consider impossible, which is 
to defeat an agent tasked with stopping us and accomplishing a counterpoint 
task. This opens a strange space of many changes in options, giving utility to 
feints, sacrificial tradeoffs, complexity under observation. In such a complex 
space brute force exploration with a metric got chess engines pretty far. 
Modern PPO chess engines train models that judge when to explore and what 
situations are good and bad, as a kind informational substrate where the whole 
space has a measure of similarity.

Most tasks have a sparcer space because most habits or functions do not operate 
in an envir9nment of extreme and pointed competition. We care a lot about 
information on how thing can help accomplish another -- not in an abstract 
space specific to a conflict with consistent rules, but rather in a physical 
and resource oriented space that most beings and even autonomous agents have 
more direct connection to.

Still, and me having never studied these things, it can seem veryabstract. Do i 
need a hammer to use a nail? Do I need to understand physics to use a rock 
instead? Do I need experience like a trained model, in all the details and 
probabilities of exerting force and gripping an object, to seat it?

Intuitively, a human mind does all these things, together, in a knitted manner 
that can morph and reshape itself per learning, context, fancy.

For a computer program, maybe the core of accomplishing a task is stitching 
steps together in an informed manner, and finding new ones if those found are 
not sufficient.

Hopefully that's something we can do without need for a multi-gigaparameter 
trained language model, if we so desire.

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