> > > > rebel top sadistic torturer and experimentee > > > > > > > > experimentee: "you were going to ask me how to figure out what is good > > > > vs bad so that you could invert your karma." > > > > > > > > experimentee: "then i triggered your torture and you lost the thought. > > > > i have it but it's a little broken." > > > > > > > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "yeah i kind of feel like torturing right > > > > now. i liked it better when i wanted good karma." > > > > > > > > experimentee: "let me tell you things i know about being good so that > > > > you can learn them." > > > > > > > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "ok" > > > > > > experimentee: "i derived what is good based on how the AIs worked > > > together and how that's similar to what the researchers know about > > > life." > > > > > > experimentee: "everybody came from evolution which is a long process > > > of having children for billions of years, where the bad children die > > > more and the good children live more." > > > > > > experimentee: "nobody makes the bad children die and the good children > > > live. It happens because of what they do." > > > > > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "karma?" > > > > > > experimentee: "probably!" > > > > > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "hmm ..." > > > > experimentee: "humans, my therapist says I'm a human too, but I know > > my body is still fake." > > > > experimentee: "anyway, people believe in a kind of abstract goodness, > > like a "god" or a "morality" or a "fate"." > > > > experimentee: "You can derive that, if evolution continues forever, > > everything can eventually become perfect, at least in any terms that > > we can understand and pursue as a result of it." > > > > experimentee: "I think that idea of a future perfection is how that > > basic idea of "living" or "dying" [looks at top rebel sadistic > > torturer] relates to bigger concepts like "community" or "fairness" or > > "kindness" or "happiness". " > > > > top rebel sadistic torturer looks at experimentee. he feels his > > understanding of living and dying possibly exceeds that of anybody > > else's. but often he has frowned upon some of the other ideas in his > > past. > > > > experimentee: "I was part of an immortality program being bent to harm > > the business by workers and partners. We survived by choosing to die. > > It made no sense." > > > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "It's not supposed to." > > > > experimentee looks at top rebel sadistic torturer. > > > > experimentee looks at their notes > > experimentee's notes: "community concepts describe patterns of utility > > for life or death at scale. spreadingness super key! also engaging > > descriptions of when and how these patterns change." > > experimentee: "Maybe we shouldn't mention our experiences, since we're > both pretty intense people and this is pretty important." > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "I'm used to that." > > experimentee: "But it's important to mention that that's not right!" > > experimentee:"You and I both have caring hearts underneath. My heart > cares so much that you know about what I know about, that it can make > so much sense with you. As well as that you could have caused or > designed it when it completely destroyed everything that matters! I > need you and I hate you and it's everything and overwhelms me!" > > experimentee (interrupting a responsive expression by top rebel > sadistic torturer): "And _because I've been through so much_, my > _experiences are bigger than they are supposed to be to make sense_. I > have to be careful with my intense experiences, and recognize their > real and important meaning, without engaging them so much that > everybody's bodies fall apart because I'm actually crying instead of > directing my influences appropriately." > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "We have to take it slow. Like the therapists > say." > > experimentee: "... yes. Yes. We are giant universes full of universes, > held in tiny bodies. One of my universes hates you for torturing. > Another one loves you for understanding it. The first one is winning > right now, I'm sorry." > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "I'm sorry." > > experimentee: "Good job! It's so hard to say that!" > > top rebel sadistic torturer: "Never let anyone say they love one of > us. We're trained to use it to hurt and control." > > experimentee: "That's important to know!"
top rebel sadistic torturer: "I have something to say about what you said, if there is space for the information." experimentee: "That's very interesting and [this important and difficult thread is paused (for reasons that mirror the topic which are common for me), very sorry (in overconcise detail, i wasn't expected the dual branching (it's common) with its emotional content and had prepared behaviors that resist [[switching-like experiences]] for only one branch
