Angela Trigg wrote:
> can someone give me a reason to stick it out
> given all the hacks you have to do, etc? 

eventually you'll discover the power of CSS - to take semantic (x)html 
and lay it out one way or another in minutes, to make a minor change 
across the whole site in seconds, to get faster downloading pages and 
better search engine results and greater and wider accessibility.

but first you have to start *designing* with CSS in mind, rather than 
from a tables viewpoint.

I liken the transition to CSS as how a watercolorist would find 
painting with oils for the first time - nothing is the same, although 
the end result looks similar, the techniques, the brush strokes, the 
way the colors are mixed up - everything is different, but once you 
understand the differences between the media then the most fantastic 
vivid results are attained.

it's the same with CSS - the first few site builds are the hardest, 
that's when you learn the basic techniques - when to float ,when to 
use absolute positioning, how and when to mix background and inline 
images, how to get minimum height, when to use padding and when to 
avoid it and so on.

eventually you'll have your "stock" solutions to any visual design and 
you start thinking CSS from the first time you see the visual...

it's a learning curve, it can be steep, but the speed of build and 
ease of change make it all worth while once you've mastered it.

my last two builds (designs by client, CSS/XHTML by me):

http://www.hyperion-interactive.com/
http://hyper-dev.addicted2tv.com/

;o)






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