Pittaro, Michael (michael_pitt...@dell.com) wrote:
> On 10/10/2013 12:09 PM, Judd Maltin wrote:
> > It's come to light that the current manager of the mailing list
> > software is no longer available, and that the process of changing the
> > list to suit our needs (and any needs that may arise) would take
> > months of work.
> >
> I think we can manage that, I'm not concerned about logistics here.
> 
> > I'd like to open the discussion regarding moving the list's
> > server/service to a vendor more focussed on serving public-facing
> > needs.
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > The ones that roll of my mind are:
> >
> > * google groups
> > * yahoo groups
> > * my colo running mailman (or other)
> > * any of the above with the @opencrowbar.org domain
> >
> > -judd
> >
> 
> In my experience, users often prefer a forum style interface over a 
> mailing list.  If we investigate alternatives, I think we should 
> consider a forum as an option.
> 
> Anyone else think forum might be preferable ?

<rant mode='opinionated'>

Sorry, but I can't stand forums.  I don't think I've ever witnessed a
forum which managed the same signal:noise ratio as a decent mailing
list.  IMHO their fundamental flaws include:

- slow and unbelievably bloated web UIs
- incompatibility with existing email clients and workflows
  (including preferred editors)
- yet another place to have to check for messages
- propensity for rich text which discourages proper inline quoting
- default views are typically linear, encouraging extremely long
  threads with no easy to follow structure

and I don't see a single advantage they offer over mailing lists which
offset these downsides.

It's pretty easy to demonstrate the kind of horror I'm referring to by
picking the first random thread I can find via a few clicks on
xdadevelopers:

  http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2382051  

300 posts, supposedly on a single topic, stretched over 30 pages of
pure bloat.  I find it utterly mystifying how anyone can tolerate this
kind of madness - if anyone can explain this and satisfy my curiosity
I'd be genuinely grateful...

Admittedly it's unlikely Crowbar threads would ever grow this big.
But I still can't see a single good reason for switching from a
mailing list.  Again, if I'm missing something crucial, I'd love to
hear it.

</rant>

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