Thank you very much Elwyn, Kate and Peggy. Christine Sent from my iPad
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Re: Coalisland marriages (Len Swindley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:45:23 -0400 > From: WilliamScarrow <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hamilton ancestors > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Good Morning, > > Firstly...this is a wonderful site and resource! > I am looking for a missing link in my Hamilton family that may connect me to > some families in the US that I have found a DNA matches to. > My Great Great Grandparents were Thomas Hamilton and Mary Ann McGrath of > Cookstown, County Tyrone. They were married in 1846 in the Desetcreate > church. I have found the children born after 1850 in the Derryloran church > records, but I think perhaps there may be children born before that date. > I have tried to look at Desercreat baptisms on line, but, it seems they may > only be available through PRONI. I live in Canada and hope to visit Ireland > next year, but, in the meantime wondered if anyone would have a suggestion on > another way to look at Desertcreat church records. > > Thank you, > Regards, > Christine Scarrow > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:24:49 +0000 (UTC) > From: Peggy Gordon <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hamilton ancestors > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I also have Hamiltons from Cookstown area in my tree. Robert Hamilton married > to Margaret Mallon abt 1853. Their daughter Alice born Nov 30, 1862 married > into my Duffin family on Oct 27, 1891 when she married Joseph Duffin. Some of > Joseph Duffin's great uncles emigrated to Ohio, then Illinois, then > Minnesota. I don't know what church they belonged to or which parish. Robert > Hamilton is the right age to? be a brother or a cousin to your Thomas.I also? > live in Canada.Peggy Gordon > On Monday, July 29, 2019, 12:34:12 p.m. PDT, WilliamScarrow via > CoTyroneList <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good Morning, > > Firstly...this is a wonderful site and resource! > I am looking for a missing link in my Hamilton family that may connect me to > some families in the US that I have found a DNA matches to. > My Great Great Grandparents were Thomas Hamilton and Mary Ann McGrath of > Cookstown, County Tyrone. They were married in 1846 in the Desetcreate > church. I have found the children born after 1850 in the Derryloran church > records, but I think? perhaps there may be children born before that date. > I have tried to look at Desercreat baptisms on line, but, it seems they may > only be available through PRONI. I live in Canada and hope to visit Ireland > next year, but, in the meantime wondered if anyone would have a suggestion on > another way to look at Desertcreat church records. > > Thank you, > Regards, > Christine Scarrow > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/pipermail/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com/attachments/20190729/6e082f61/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 04:41:34 +0100 > From: elwyn soutter <[email protected]> > To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hamilton ancestors > Message-ID: > <CAGcts=mEUMsXownhwmxPCX1+rBCu3+uZF7wh2PqaR574h99=r...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Christine, > > Tradition was to marry in the bride?s church after which she?d > normally attend her husband?s. So marriage and children?s baptisms are > often in different churches. In this case the bride lived in Grange. > Grange is in Desertcreat, so I?d expect that to be her family church. > The groom was a butcher in Cookstown, which is in Derryloran parish. > So I would expect the children to have been baptised in Derryloran. If > you can?t find any for the early years of the marriage it may there > were no children, or none that survived long enough to be baptised > anyway. > > But to answer your question about records for Desertcreat, they don?t > appear to be on-line anywhere yet. The Church of Ireland is putting > its records on-line (free) but this is a big project and no completion > date has been published yet. In the meantime you either have to get > someone to look up the copy in PRONI or you could write to the Rector, > who has the originals. If you write to the Rector, he/she is likely to > charge for searching. Last time I checked the Church of Ireland > published rate was ?18 (sterling) an hour. Some parishes get a lot of > genealogical queries and they don?t all have the time to help, so not > all reply. > > Rev David Bell - Incumbent > Tullyhogue Rectory > 50 Lower Grange Road > Cookstown > BT80 8SL > Co Tyrone > 028 8676 1163 > > > Elwyn > > > > On 29/07/2019, Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I also have Hamiltons from Cookstown area in my tree. Robert Hamilton >> married to Margaret Mallon abt 1853. Their daughter Alice born Nov 30, 1862 >> married into my Duffin family on Oct 27, 1891 when she married Joseph >> Duffin. Some of Joseph Duffin's great uncles emigrated to Ohio, then >> Illinois, then Minnesota. I don't know what church they belonged to or which >> parish. Robert Hamilton is the right age to? be a brother or a cousin to >> your Thomas.I also? live in Canada.Peggy Gordon >> On Monday, July 29, 2019, 12:34:12 p.m. PDT, WilliamScarrow via >> CoTyroneList <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Good Morning, >> >> Firstly...this is a wonderful site and resource! >> I am looking for a missing link in my Hamilton family that may connect me to >> some families in the US that I have found a DNA matches to. >> My Great Great Grandparents were Thomas Hamilton and Mary Ann McGrath of >> Cookstown, County Tyrone. They were married in 1846 in the Desetcreate >> church. I have found the children born after 1850 in the Derryloran church >> records, but I think? perhaps there may be children born before that date. >> I have tried to look at Desercreat baptisms on line, but, it seems they may >> only be available through PRONI. I live in Canada and hope to visit Ireland >> next year, but, in the meantime wondered if anyone would have a suggestion >> on another way to look at Desertcreat church records. >> >> Thank you, >> Regards, >> Christine Scarrow >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> CoTyroneList Mailing List >> Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] >> Change Your Preferences: >> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com >> Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:23:31 +1000 > From: "Kate Christie" <[email protected]> > To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hamilton ancestors > Message-ID: <BDA7A07857814270A51B2E2B88582F81@defaultHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=original > > Hello, > > My ancestor was Minister of the church at Desertcreat in the late > 1700's-early 1800's. I emailed the Rector for some information and he > kindly emailed back with details for me. > I think it would be well worth emailing and asking. > > Cheers, > > Kate > > -----Original Message----- > From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 1:41 PM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List > Cc: elwyn soutter > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hamilton ancestors > > Christine, > > Tradition was to marry in the bride?s church after which she?d > normally attend her husband?s. So marriage and children?s baptisms are > often in different churches. In this case the bride lived in Grange. > Grange is in Desertcreat, so I?d expect that to be her family church. > The groom was a butcher in Cookstown, which is in Derryloran parish. > So I would expect the children to have been baptised in Derryloran. If > you can?t find any for the early years of the marriage it may there > were no children, or none that survived long enough to be baptised > anyway. > > But to answer your question about records for Desertcreat, they don?t > appear to be on-line anywhere yet. The Church of Ireland is putting > its records on-line (free) but this is a big project and no completion > date has been published yet. In the meantime you either have to get > someone to look up the copy in PRONI or you could write to the Rector, > who has the originals. If you write to the Rector, he/she is likely to > charge for searching. Last time I checked the Church of Ireland > published rate was ?18 (sterling) an hour. Some parishes get a lot of > genealogical queries and they don?t all have the time to help, so not > all reply. > > Rev David Bell - Incumbent > Tullyhogue Rectory > 50 Lower Grange Road > Cookstown > BT80 8SL > Co Tyrone > 028 8676 1163 > > > Elwyn > > > > On 29/07/2019, Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I also have Hamiltons from Cookstown area in my tree. Robert Hamilton >> married to Margaret Mallon abt 1853. Their daughter Alice born Nov 30, >> 1862 >> married into my Duffin family on Oct 27, 1891 when she married Joseph >> Duffin. Some of Joseph Duffin's great uncles emigrated to Ohio, then >> Illinois, then Minnesota. I don't know what church they belonged to or >> which >> parish. Robert Hamilton is the right age to be a brother or a cousin to >> your Thomas.I also live in Canada.Peggy Gordon >> On Monday, July 29, 2019, 12:34:12 p.m. PDT, WilliamScarrow via >> CoTyroneList <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Good Morning, >> >> Firstly...this is a wonderful site and resource! >> I am looking for a missing link in my Hamilton family that may connect me >> to >> some families in the US that I have found a DNA matches to. >> My Great Great Grandparents were Thomas Hamilton and Mary Ann McGrath of >> Cookstown, County Tyrone. They were married in 1846 in the Desetcreate >> church. I have found the children born after 1850 in the Derryloran church >> records, but I think perhaps there may be children born before that date. >> I have tried to look at Desercreat baptisms on line, but, it seems they >> may >> only be available through PRONI. I live in Canada and hope to visit >> Ireland >> next year, but, in the meantime wondered if anyone would have a suggestion >> on another way to look at Desertcreat church records. >> >> Thank you, >> Regards, >> Christine Scarrow >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> CoTyroneList Mailing List >> Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] >> Change Your Preferences: >> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com >> Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:52:05 +0000 > From: Len Swindley <[email protected]> > To: Peggy Gordon <[email protected]>, "CoTyroneIreland. com Mailing > List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Coalisland marriages > Message-ID: > > <sl2p216mb0506ff6ffc57384f3e366bf6e0...@sl2p216mb0506.korp216.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Peggy, > > There are no earlier registers for Coalisland (Donaghenry & Ballyclog > parish). Typically, Catholic registers commence in the 1830s for the majority > of parishes. Sad, but true. > > All the best, > Len > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 > > ________________________________ > From: Peggy Gordon <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 11:37:26 PM > To: Len Swindley <[email protected]>; CoTyroneIreland. com Mailing > List <[email protected]> > Cc: Jim McKane <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Coalisland marriages > > Thank you very much Len. Since these records only start in 1822 the only > marriage I could hope to find would be the Hamilton/Caulfield one. I have had > one look through and did not see it but will look again due to the poor > quality of the images. > Are these marriages the earliest ones available for Coalisland? > Regards > Peggy > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad<https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS> > > > On Friday, July 26, 2019, 2:45 AM, Len Swindley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello Peggy, > > > > The Donaghenry & Ballyclog RC marriages are available online; you may find > the marriages your are searching for recorded at > https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0187 > > > > Regards, > > Lem Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > > > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: CoTyroneList <[email protected]> on behalf of > Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 5:51:45 AM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> > Cc: Jim McKane <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Coalisland marriages > > Did you see the baptism of Mary's children here - > https://cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donaghenry.html > > Jim > > Jim McKane > South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:38 PM Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > I need some help. The marriage of James Duffin and Mary Caulfield was Nov 28, > 1822 in Coalisland. Presuming that the marriages are usually in the bride's > parish, I am wondering if there is a record there for the marriage of Mary's > sister Jane Caulfield to William Caulfield abt 1813 and another sister > Margaret Jane Caulfield to James B. Harper/Happer abt 1816/1817. > Thanks for any help > Peggy > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Change Your Preferences: > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/pipermail/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com/attachments/20190730/dc4f5712/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 443, Issue 1 > ******************************************** _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY
