2012/8/9 Mark Boon <[email protected]> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. > <[email protected]> wrote: > > So, if this "great pruning" has any real truth to it, it would likely be > a > > large influencer in why both acquiring a language, an accent and learning > > intricate Go patterns prior to 6 are then "hard coded" at a very deep and > > abstract level into the resulting pruned network by the time the child > has > > reached 10 years old. In effect, they have been imprinted deeply and > > subconsciously/intuitively in a way no adult can possibly match. > > This was my understanding as well. And it strokes with my > observations. It is possible that this is the change in level of > abstraction that the article is referring to when moving from > 'amateur' to 'professional' level. But in that case it's only > coincidence that it happened right at the age where this change > happens and has nothing to do with the move to professional level. But > the majority of people become 'professional' in pretty much anything > at a later age. Only a small class of child prodigies reach > professional level in their early teens. > > Well most people really never reach "professional" level on anything. Most SW developers I have met reach level adequate, but few are willing to invest the pain needed to become really good at it.
> As to language, I have never met a foreigner who learnt Dutch as an > adult who didn't have an accent. Although Dutch sounds gutteral to the > casual observer, it's in fact the vowels that seem to be impossible to > get right for foreigners. Only when learnt as a child do they acquire > > Mark > This can be that people are not really trying. I would leard Dutch right now I would probably have a bad accent as way forming vowels in Finnish and Dutch is vastly different. But let us assume that I would be willing invest about 10 000 hours into learning accent free Dutch I could get lot better results. And by this 10 000 hours it woudl mean dedicated goal oriented good quality training. But then againb who is. By the way I know one foreigner without accent speaking Finnish who learnt it at adult age, I guess that wont make rule that it is easy :) This last condition explains why most people do get to reasonable level at their profession but never excel. You can program 20 000 hours but unless you have clear goal of get better - not merely hoping that just doing what ever you are doing will get you there - one will not reach expert level Petri
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