On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Aja <[email protected]> wrote: > For Zen and CrazyStone, they might not be interested on 9x9, because 19x19 > is their arena. Mogo is maybe the best candidate. In the TAAI > conference last year in Taiwan, Olivier stated that Mogo will solve (or > weakly solve?) 9x9 by winning 4 out of 7 games against some top professional > player. > > Aja
Ein? That's not what solving a game means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solved_game Ąlvaro. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Sheppard > To: [email protected] ; 'Aja' > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:01 AM > Subject: RE: [Computer-go] 19x19 opening books > >>I think 9x9 go, even though compared to chess in complexity, is still more >> complex than chess and that the book will have a little less impact, >> although still a lot. > > > > > > My projection is the opposite: I think that 9x9 will be "played out" within > 5 years. Not weakly solved, exactly, but close to it. Zen and CrazyStone > have the ability to start on that project already. > > > > My impression is that the opening books are routinely worth a few hundred > rating points in 9x9 CGOS. > > > > I would cite Valkyria, which has a version that is playing near the top of > the CGOS ladder most of the time. A comparable version was playing ~200 > rating points within the last year, and I suspect that the opening book > knowledge that comes from its long-term memory is the dominant contributor. > > > > I also cite the Little Golem server, which is dominated by programs that > have opening books. > > > > Based on the work of Mogo and Valkyria, I suspect that if you take a pretty > good player and create a feedback system then you get a great opening book. > With an effective branching factor of maybe 2 to 3, you can get pretty far > into the game. > > > > Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
